Holding Hope in Hard Times with Doc Jana

0:00:07 - Felicia Jadczak Hi and welcome to the she Geeks Out podcast, where we geek out about workplace inclusion and talk with brilliant humans doing great work, making the world a better and brighter place.

0:00:16 - Rachel Murray I'm Felicia and I'm Rachel, and today we are joined by the one and only Doc Jana. Visionary, mystic, business badass and truth teller Known for shaking up the status quo in boardrooms and beyond, doc brings a mix of spiritual clarity, radical honesty and deep humanity to everything they do.

0:00:35 - Felicia Jadczak This conversation's pretty big. We talk about personal evolution, breaking free from performative professionalism and embracing leadership rooted in soul and integrity. We also zoom way out to explore why this moment in time demands a reimagining of work itself. So we've got systems crumbling, capitalism is cracking and a lot of us are feeling the squeeze, but Doc offers a powerful invitation to lead with heart, not fear. Really excited for this conversation with Doc. But before we get to that, let's get into it. We need to get into it Absolutely. So, oh my gosh, I mean, there's never a dearth of things to talk about. But I think the real question, Rachel, is like do we want to be super depressed or not?

0:01:19 - Rachel Murray No, I feel like our last intro was wild, so we're going to keep it a little bit tighter and a little bit less horrific.

0:01:27 - Felicia Jadczak Because I mean, the reality is we could just—there's no bottom.

0:01:32 - Rachel Murray I know the timeline's tough, this timeline's tough, but that's okay, we're tougher. But we were talking beforehand about some of the work that you've been doing lately. You've been facilitating some really great conversations with incredible clients, and there was one that we were just chatting about, so I was wondering if you could tell us all about it. Tell us a story, I would be happy to.

0:01:51 - Felicia Jadczak So for privacy and contract reasons I cannot share the name of this client, unfortunately, but they're pretty badass and you definitely know that. But we have been working with this particular client for a couple years now. I love working with them, they are the best. And this particular program that we're doing with them is a four to five-week session, essentially, where we are meeting regularly with a smaller group of folks and it's not really like a train-the-trainer kind of approach per se, but the idea is taking people who aren't DEI practitioners that's not part of their role day to day, it's not in their job title, they're not part of even necessarily like DEI committees. Maybe their company doesn't even have DEI officially at the company, but it's about helping these folks understand how to have conversations and how to hold space when they're having conversations around topics that come up in DEI-related discussions.

And so this was the second week last week that we were doing this discussion together. Great group. I really enjoy working with them so far and I really like this topic because it's kind of both the what and the how, which is kind of fun. So it's not just you know identity or things like that, but it's also how do you actually create trust and how do you build relationships with people when you don't work with them necessarily? So I told you beforehand. I was like okay, I can definitely talk about what happens when things don't go.

0:03:17 - Rachel Murray The way that you want them to go, and that seems like that could never possibly happen, never always.

0:03:24 - Felicia Jadczak But I mean, here's the reality. Things definitely go off the rails all the time and I think, especially as a facilitator, a lot of my work and we were just on a new client call together earlier today that was exactly about this. It's about how can we prep as much as possible in advance so that not if, but when things go wonky, you're not going to be totally thrown off by that. So in all things considered, in the grand scheme of things this wonkiness for this particular client was not a huge deal at all, but still like it does throw you. So what? Let me like set the scene for you so virtual Zoom, something super familiar with at this point, and one of the things that we do in our practice at Inclusion Geeks is we always like to offer session guidelines or like sometimes we call them learning community guidelines or you know whatever you call them, but the idea is that they're group agreements.

Usually they're mostly proposed by us where if things go wonky or sideways, you can kind of use them to refer back to. So it's not something I always need per se, but it's helpful to have them and I like using that in the beginning of my facilitations just as a way to kind of structure the time and set expectations. So I mean, you've seen this, rachel, so you can probably get a good sense of it. But for anyone who's listening, who's like, what do you mean by group agreements? It's everything from take space, make space to be present and engaged, like don't have your phone buzzing while we're in the training together. But one of the guidelines that I always like to include is our favorite which can you guess? Do you think? Have a guess for which one it is?

0:05:01 - Rachel Murray Oh, you got to tell me. I don't even know what is happening. I'm kidding, I actually don't remember because I have pandemic brain.

0:05:08 - Felicia Jadczak Oh, that's okay, we all have a pandemic brain. But the guideline is embrace your awkward.

0:05:12 - Rachel Murray Oh, of course that's our like motto.

0:05:15 - Felicia Jadczak I know, that's why I was like I know you know it, but it's okay. This was not meant to be a pop. I do feel like I did fail. It's my perfection issues. You did not fail.

0:05:24 - Rachel Murray Thank you. You learned, but I did. I remembered, thanks to you.

0:05:29 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, that's the role of a good facilitator, Anyway. So embrace your awkward, always use it Because, as I always say, like we're human beings, things happen. Sometimes the Wi-Fi goes out, Sometimes, like my cat tries to break down the door, Stuff will come up. So what happened in this particular instance? It was more my fault than anything else, but I really enjoy sometimes playing around with the again the structure of facilitation, not just the content. So what I wanted to showcase to the group was different ways to get people talking in small groups together. So what I was drawing from was this really great community practice. They have a website, a book, all this different stuff. It's called Liberating Structures and if you're a facilitator and you haven't heard about this, definitely check it out. Liberatingstructurescom it's really great.

But one of the formats that they offer and propose to help you structure how you have your people talking with each other is a group structure called One, two, four, all, and the idea is that you ask people to first reflect solo on a prompt, Then, after a small period of time, you put them in pairs. So that's the two aspect of it. So you put them in pairs together to kind of talk with the other person, Then, after the pair has chatted for a few minutes, then you match two pairs together. So then now it's four people and then once the four people person group has chatted for a few minutes, then you match two pairs together. So then now it's four people and then once the four-person group has chatted, then you bring them all back together and then everyone debriefs all together. So I don't usually do this because we don't always have the time or it doesn't always make sense. But I was like I want to showcase this to the group because we're talking about the how, not just the what. I thought it'd be kind of fun and while they were in their initial breakouts I realized that Zoom has this fun new feature at least new to me where you can pre-plan your next breakout session while people are in the breakout session.

And I was like whoa, oh, my gosh, it's amazing. So this is my bad, because I hadn't tested this help before. But I was like, oh, obviously work perfectly. So I had them in their groups and their pairs and I was like perfect. So then I pre-planned the next session and I was going to just I matched up the pair. So everyone's a little foursome, it worked out perfectly. And then I was like perfect, so I'm going to now end the breakout session, where everyone's in a pair group and it's going to automatically pull up and open up the new session with the four sums and it'll just be seamless. Nope, that's not what happened. Everyone came back into my group and I was like off video and off audio and I was like oh, you're all back, oh, hi.

0:08:01 - Rachel Murray Well, I guess it could have been worse. You could have been like eating soup or something I know right.

0:08:06 - Felicia Jadczak It could have been worse. So again, like in the grand scheme of things, it was really not a huge deal. It did throw me for a minute because I was really not planning for them all to like suddenly be staring at me and I, you know, had to sort of adjust on the fly, but I think it's just. It's a good example of the fact that and this was exactly why I use this guideline and I literally said embrace your awkward. Here we are. Didn't plan for this to happen, didn't think this would happen. I should have probably tested this out. Didn't realize my bad, but we rolled with it. We had a group discussion instead. It went totally fine, but it actually I'm kind of glad it happened because it helped me also then model, even though unintentionally, how to handle things when you know you're not necessarily expecting it to go wonky and you thought it would be really smooth and for me you know this.

But I think our company culture is just too like. I like to use humor and, yeah, sometimes the topics are really serious. So obviously we can't use humor all the time. But if you can sort of poke fun at yourself a little bit, I find that it just helps everyone. You know, kind of chill out a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Oh well, now I learned for next time, embrace the awkward.

0:09:14 - Rachel Murray Yeah, it's so interesting and we've had this. We've had this model for a long time because, as some people who are listening may know, it was. You know, we started out as doing running events and, as always, events, there's always something right. And I think it's really interesting now, especially in the age of just the perfection that can be social media and AI, and we have to keep remembering that we are human and that's actually one of the things that makes us so great is that we are not perfect.

I was thinking about this when I went to see a live performance, like it was like a Shakespeare in the park kind of thing and I was thinking, wow, you know, as advanced as AI could ever get and we could have robots up there right, the absolute peak of being able to reflect human emotion, perfectly, right.

But because we will know that those are robots, it will never hit the same as it would. And look, I am pro-AI, not from the environmental standpoint and the destruction of all the things, but I do think that there's a lot of incredible use to it. So I'm definitely not anti-AI in the way that a lot of other people understandably are, but I do think about what can it replace, and even in what you were just talking about, having mistakes happen is so beautiful and I feel like we forget that sometimes. And we I mean I did it just earlier in this conversation, right, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm not perfect, I totally forgot a thing, and it's like, it's okay, like I. I mean, look right now, ai hallucinates too so and forgets things.

0:10:44 - Felicia Jadczak It's true, which I just found out recently. I was like AI hallucinates.

0:10:47 - Rachel Murray Yeah, I know, I love that. That's what they call. It is hallucination, but you know, it's giving grace to ourselves when things go wild and I think, when we see it in other people, giving grace to those other people as well, because I also think that there's something really powerful when you see someone else making a mistake, and I do think there's just so much value in people recognizing it and being like that's okay, you made a mistake, that's totally fine.

0:11:16 - Felicia Jadczak I make mistakes too, it's going to be at this example because neither of us are parents. But it makes me think about how, like, when you have a little kid and like they fall down, they look to the parent or the caregiver to sort of gauge how they should react. Right, Like a lot of times and obviously in both examples work and child like there's extremes. So you know, I'm not going into those kinds of extreme situations, but like just a minor little bump or a scrape or whatever, If you react and you're like, oh, my God, you were hurt, Like if you're really upset about it, they will get upset more than they would have otherwise. If you're like, oh, that's too bad, Okay, Then they're fine, they're fine, you know. And so I think that's part of it too, where it's like, oh, if I was to have, like, had, you know, a total meltdown and, like you know, handled it differently, then it would have come over very differently.

0:12:11 - Rachel Murray But if you handle it with grace and humor and a little bit of self-deprecation, then all right, whatever you know, and you just gave me another thought, which is that this just goes right to the heart of the work that we do like, whether it's in the workplace or in personal life or in government.

Right, it is, so much of how we are showing up in the world is a reflection of how our authority figures are showing up, and so when you have people who are in positions of power, whether it is a CEO or your manager or your parent or the president, how they are acting gives you permission to act that way and, in fact, more than permission, it's encouraged. So, when you see that, that's why it's so important when we talk about leadership, and we talk about inclusive leadership, it is because it has such an outsized impact on the way people show up. So that's why it's so important to do this, and so we all should be embracing our awkward and giving people more grace and being kinder and less mean, which is why we love talking with Doc, because Doc gets it.

0:13:24 - Felicia Jadczak Oh my gosh, I am so excited for folks to listen to this because I will tell you, I have been thinking about this interview since we recorded it and wait to re-listen to it myself, and there will be a part two. Absolutely so I guess let's not hold off any further, let's get into it. Welcome to the show, doc. All right, so excited for this conversation. Our guest today is Doc Jonna. Hello and welcome. We've already fangirled off the recording, but we'll probably do a lot more on recording too. We are so excited to have you here today and we would love to just hear everything.

0:14:00 - Doc Jana No, no pressure, Just everything. So good to be with you. Thank you so much for your invitation.

0:14:08 - Felicia Jadczak Well, let's start at whatever beginning you'd like to start with. One of our favorite ways to start off with our guest is asking what's your origin story? So what is your origin story?

0:14:16 - Doc Jana Oh my, you know, I think it all starts with being an army brat. So I was born in El Paso, texas, fort Bliss was the base and I was right on the border, and so I had access to Spanish really early. I have no claim to Mexican or South American heritage, but I spoke Spanish pretty much before I spoke English because of friends and babysitters and proximity. And then my parents were transferred to Germany and they were like well, you already speak two languages, what's a third? And they threw me in the back of a German school classroom. So by the time I was, goodness gracious, eight, 10, I was trilingual, multilingual, and I was dreaming and thinking in first Spanish and then German, and the proximity to culture. Right, there are things that you can't learn about a culture unless you speak its language. And so those were the really formative years.

And then I say I came of age in New York, which is where my mom is from. So when you combine the, I mean we know there's so much to say about Texas, but you can take the non-binary person out of Texas, but you can't take the Texas out of the non-binary person. So I'm big and bold and bodacious, because Texas Germans are about the straightest shooters you'll ever meet. It's just no veneer, no bedside manner and it just is what it is.

So I got that kind of directness from Germany and then coming of age in high school in New York and my mom's from Queens like don't mess with me, please don't do that, please don't do that. So when you combine those three cultures, you get a human being who is just. I recognize this now as a superpower. I am unfuckwithable. I am really not concerned with other people's opinion of who I am, where I am or what I'm doing, and it gives me such a beautiful life force and light force in this case, to move through the world with. I'm perpetually working on healing and strengthening myself and I want the kind of liberation that I inherited, that I discovered for every single person I encountered.

0:16:06 - Rachel Murray Oh, my gosh Preach Thanks and also same, and I'd love to just continue on a little bit more with the origin story too. So you got into the work, the DEI space, and then you've had this beautiful transition into this new space. Can you talk a little bit about that, how you made that transition from this experience in New York to this?

0:16:30 - Doc Jana Yeah, so my mother is one of the early trailblazers in DEI. Obviously, dei is a young industry relative to the larger industries that exist, so she came up through the civil rights movement. She's a behavioral psychologist by trade and when my father was stationed at West Point she was doing behavioral assessments with the cadets at West Point and I was following along behind her as her little intern helper watching her do quantitative and qualitative assessments in context of an institutional culture and she was working with like National Institutes of Health and she was standing up offices of multicultural affairs at universities across the country before they ever had them. So I came to my trade the same way that most people on earth do. I did what my parents did, I did what my mom did, so that's how I came to that.

And then my mother is also a very deep spiritualist. My mother is also a mystic. So both of these aspects of my career, of my being, are deeply informed by my mother, who is Dr Deborah Threadgill Egerton. She wrote no Justice, no Peace. That's K-N-O-W no Justice, no Peace and the Enneagram Made Easy. She is the world's foremost authority on the intersection of DEI and the Enneagram. She is the current president of the International Enneagram Institute.

0:17:44 - Felicia Jadczak We've both done Enneagrams and I can't remember Rachel. I think we have like the same one. Is that right, yeah?

0:17:49 - Rachel Murray we actually do. We're one wing two.

0:17:52 - Doc Jana Ah, seven, I'm a bi-wingle seven.

Oh, but wow, I had no idea what a connection yeah, so she is also a mystic, and the transition from DEI to this mystical existence and spirituality. I was raised Roman Catholic and I think my mom still identifies as Roman Catholic, but her faith and religiosity is very much like mine. It's expansive. Our answer to God is yes, our answer to spirit is yes. And me, in one of my spiritual identities, I'm a death doula, and in the world of the death doula I need to be able to speak the language, the love language, of spirit that you can relate to.

So I've made it my business to tour around the world and the whole pantheon of various ways of believing and interacting with spirit, and I'm comfortable with all of them, and so that creates a very wide opening, a very wide birth for me to engage with humanity in a way that's nonjudgmental. And again back to the origin story of having, when we were living in Germany, if my dad wasn't on call, he was a pediatrician, adolescent specialist If he wasn't on call, we were on a plane or we were in a car, we were crossing borders, we were seeing new cultures. So there was nobody on earth that can tell me that the differences between you and me, while beautiful, that they don't pale in comparison to the similarities. I know that we all fear in the same way. I know that we are all happy in similar ways. I know that none of us want to be alone and we want to be deeply seen and understood in community. These are things that are universal, and that's the aspect of humanity that I focus on.

0:19:20 - Felicia Jadczak Oof, my goodness, there's so much to unpack here and it's so fascinating For our listeners. Some people might be familiar with your work, I know. For me, I think one of the first times I encountered you was through your book Subtle Acts of Exclusion, which was, I mean, still is a hugely transformative piece and something I refer to a lot in my own practice. And I'm loving hearing because originally I thought maybe that your path was a little bit more linear, like, okay, you started here inclusion work, dei, then you moved into spirituality, but now obviously that's not the case. It's really been embedded in you from the very beginning and even beforehand.

You mentioned being a death doula and that's maybe a bit of a tangent where we are going to go with our conversation. But I wanted to touch on that a little bit more because I've only personally recently become aware of that as a, I guess, a field or a practice. I live in a really small town in Western Massachusetts and our newest poet laureate is actually also a death doula, and so I literally just heard of this terminology like a few months ago. Is that something that was part of this sort of exposure that you had through your mother, or how did that come into your own practice.

0:20:23 - Doc Jana Death doula actually came during the pandemic, when we were on lockdown. I call myself Hector the certificate collector. The number of things I'm certified in is absolutely ridiculous. I'll blame it on the Gemini aspect, always seeking greater and greater knowledge. It was actually spiritually directed. So I had a pretty significant spiritual awakening in like 2017, 2018. And everything shifted from that point.

At that point, my brain actually did not want to assimilate or acquire any more kind of traditional educational knowledge. It has only since been interested in that which is spiritual. I had several sort of well-known spiritual texts downloaded into my brain in ways that just have been astounding, and so I was instructed by spirit to go and get a death doula certification and I was flabbergasted because I have no relationship with death. Like I definitely identify myself as a mystical. You can call it witchy, you can call it whatever you want, but there are a lot of people who are kind of mystically oriented and spiritual, who you know they are fascinated with death, they like to see the skeletons and that the darker side of things appeals. That's not me.

I am very much love and light and bright and the other things. We acknowledge the shadow, we work with the shadow, we deal with it, but it's not a place where I dwell. I have no desire to see or experience death, so I can't even watch horror movies. I can't even see violence, because I viscerally experience everything that I see. So I did it because I've learned at this late stage that when I don't listen to Spirit, things don't go well for me. So I did it, and it was the very last day of the certification that Spirit said you're doing this to support people who lose infants, children, babies, pregnancies. And I was like, oh, I've been pregnant 10 times, I have three children three living children.

That was something that I could deeply relate to and I'm also technically trained as a birth doula as well and the reason I didn't go for midwife was because I couldn't be responsible for the things that sometimes happen that we can't help. I couldn't be that close to it. So it was something that was spiritually guided and it has been an absolute blessing to support people with uteruses and families to it. So it was something that was spiritually guided and it has been an absolute blessing to support people with uteruses and families who lose babies and children in any capacity, whether by choice or by nature. I make that distinction because I don't care whether it's a choice or whether it's a natural dissolution of that life.

0:22:38 - Rachel Murray It's never fun, it always leaves a mark and most people need support, and we don't have a culture that makes it safe to talk about these things terrified of death and I'm trying, as I'm getting older and older to, you know, figure out how to deal with it, because it's 100% death rate and it's coming for us all. It's going to happen. Despite my massive attempts at lots of longevity pills and exercising, I know it's still going to happen. But can you actually talk? I know it's so tangent. This always happens when these conversations like this go, but yeah, I love this so much. There are probably a lot of people that don't actually know what a death doula is or what this person does. Can you just talk a little bit about that, absolutely.

0:23:28 - Doc Jana A death doula's role is to support an individual or a family on the journey of death, and so it could literally be if you are diagnosed with something terminal, you might hire a death doula to help you navigate that, because there's going to be a set of spiritual and psychological challenges that you're going to go through and a death doula will help you graciously navigate that transition. The person who is dying or their family might also hire a death doula to support the family, to support the nearest loved ones and prepare them for the loss. So, just like with a birth doula, we make a birth plan, with a death doula we make a death plan.

One of the more challenging aspects of these huge life transitions and death being the ultimate life transition is how out of control we can feel, and a lot of the fear comes from the unknown, not knowing what is coming, not knowing what to be prepared for. So when you make a death plan, you get agency, even as you are losing all of what feels like your agency. So you can decide how you want things to go. You can decide the colors you want in the room, the music you want to hear, how long you want to be supported, and it's more than just the end of life plan and the do not resuscitate. It can have as much detail and subtlety and beauty and art as you wish or not, but it gives the dying person the opportunity to really have a voice before they lose their voice.

0:24:48 - Rachel Murray Oh my gosh, that really speaks to my Virgo heart. I love a good plan.

0:24:53 - Doc Jana Virgo rising right here hey.

0:24:56 - Rachel Murray Flusha, please go ahead. I feel like I've been peppering a lot.

0:24:58 - Felicia Jadczak This is great.

I'm so excited because it's already such an interesting conversation.

And I think it's interesting because, as you both were chatting through just now, what I was thinking about was tarot cards and how, when you pull the death card, it's not the scary thing like, oh, you're going to die.

It's exactly what you were speaking to, which is around transitions, change, moving from one stage to another, and I think that's a really beautiful way to sort of approach this ultimate experience that every single person goes through in life. So thank you for kind of digging into that a little bit with us. That leads me to my next question, which is we've already covered so much in the like I don't even know 15 minutes that we've been chatting with you, and so you carry so much, you carry all these different roles, all these projects, that you're involved with these experiences and you're showing up I can already tell in each one with so much presence and energy and grace. And so how do you prioritize what matters the most, or is there something that matters the most to you? Are there any practices or rituals that help you sustain yourself while you're holding space for all these other people in these different experiences.

0:26:04 - Doc Jana I think that what you just said is spot on. I've always been multifaceted, kind of a Renaissance human, and while I don't believe in sin in the traditional sense, that some people use it as a weapon, I believe that sin is anything that's out of alignment with love, and if there were anything that I would consider like sin, and a lot of the traditional ones would fall out of alignment with love. So they make sense, but one of the things that I would see as sort of highly dishonoring to the spirit is to be endowed with gifts and be either refused to or unwilling to use them, and so the challenge for me has been I've been gifted with so many different skills, gifts, talents, interests, and it has, in many seasons of my life, been a burden. How can I honor these things and breathe life into them? I was given them for a reason, and I used to. You know people say you can't have everything, and I'm like well, actually you can, just maybe not all at the same time, and so the important thing is for me is to remain centered and grounded in who I, who I am, who I know myself to be, the aspects of myself that are true, which are more spiritual than anything else and to sort of keep that center. And really it's a profound experience in listening to my higher self, in listening to my intuition and being willing to take great risk when it feels like something is the appropriate thing to do, like I have. Yet to date I've never charged for death doula services, because spirit has kind of made it clear that's not a thing that we'd necessarily charge for. When I was first, when the time travel experience was first downloaded into me as a healing modality, during the pandemic, I was given the healing modality and told not to charge for it and I was like, okay, and I was told precisely when and how I could eventually monetize that as part of my offerings. So it involves a lot of really profound listening, and not only listening to the self, but also there's a dance that's happening with my most intimate community and then in concentric circles outside of there. So I pay attention to what the world needs.

Like at some point I went viral on social media and started to gain a pretty substantial presence and I remember some of my younger social media savvy friends were like, oh my God, you did the thing. You went viral. Now you got to post all the time and I was like no, I don't, I absolutely do not. I am not going to post just to post. I will post when I am moved, I will post when I'm inspired and I will post when I have something very meaningful to say.

Like I might repost other people's things in the meantime, but when people see my face on that screen, I want them to know that I'm going to have something to say. That's really important, not just something to say. And so being able to honor my personal mission right of helping people awaken to themselves and live their most beautiful lives is what I keep in the front, and I just don't judge myself about how that shows up, and sometimes it makes no sense. Sometimes it's really hard my poor staff when I was running the big company trying to keep up with me and my 7,000 ideas, but they also kept me honest, which is great. Yeah, it's alignment.

0:29:01 - Rachel Murray Wow, I feel like I can relate a lot to that and I really just want to. We have like for our listeners. As you know, we have these lists of questions. I think I want to skip to the next one, because you've touched on it a little bit and I think I want to just like get into it, if that's okay. So I guess it was I don't know what is time A few months ago. A month ago, I listened to you on A Psychic Story, which is this incredible podcast that has a lot of really cool people on, and Felicia and I both have been sort of I don't know dabbling is the right word, I think just like exploring this sort of new space, and so it was really incredible to hear your story on this, and so we'll definitely link to it in the show notes and it's. I don't have a gift, like I don't. I mean, let me change it. I have some gifts, but it's just you know, there you go, I was going to course correct you.

You can't do that at all. Of course I correct myself, but yeah, but I haven't yet been able to sort of tap into that other plane of existence or multiple existences. So I'm really fascinated with this, and so we did talk a little bit about how you maybe got into this because of your family. But I'm just so curious about the time travel piece. Can you break down as much as possible for us lay people how? Does it work. What happened? Like you said it was downloaded.

0:30:17 - Felicia Jadczak Who is like messing everything up by continuing to try to fix 2020, because that's like I'm like murder hornet busted into. There's also radioactive wasps now apparently like oh, she's still out there working on trying to go Okay yeah.

0:30:32 - Doc Jana All right, so there's, so there's so many components to this. So, like I said, the Manifest Equity time travel experience was downloaded into me wholesale. I did not make it up what I do. There are some things that I know and it's still terraforming. Like literally just today, I added to my website solo time travel as an individual offering that people can come and do, because until now it's always been group experiences. I'm interested A lot of people that don't want to come on a zoom, they don't want to show their face, they're scared, they don't know what it is.

So I'm like, let me just do this with people individually. So the first thing I have to say and I think I might have said this on the other podcast is that I I did not understand when I was young that I was living in multiple timelines. Like I have access to past, present and future all the time, and I used to mix them up. I didn't understand, like you know, just I didn't understand what was happening. Now I get it. So it is a deeply lived and deeply felt thing. So the time travel experience itself is it's a meditation, it's mindfulness, it's visualization. So there's a lot of presence and breath work and components that feel like things that you've done before. As far as the experience itself, it touches a little bit on, maybe like internal family systems, because you, depending on which one we do, you might actually interact with yourself. So that's going to be a part of yourself, or a version of yourself. But one of the other things that's kind of central to how it works is if you are willing to suspend disbelief or buy into any version of this matrix theory, which is we're in a simulation. It is a matrix. You are the creator of your own universe, you're the main character in your world. Your thoughts become things right. All of that plays into this. And then there's also, like, my favorite thing about being alive right now I keep saying it over and over again is that science is starting to catch up with spirituality, because spirituality was just science that we didn't understand yet. But now, with the world of metaphysics right, we are starting to prove things like consciousness is outside of us, not inside of us. We're tapping into it, we're drawing into it, and so there's a lot of different sciences, different theories that tell us that there are in fact parallel timelines, that every time you make a decision, you're branching off into another direction, so a decision. You're branching off into another direction. So when I take a group into time travel, I am choosing a branch, I am taking them into the future into that branch and then we are accessing what is there and we're doing it in the present tense. So we are living it and we are seeing and drawing. And it's fascinating because I've said before in different podcasts I don't actually see anything visually in my I have.

I have a Fantasia, so I can't make a mental picture. I can take you on a guided journey but I can't make a mental picture. But some people, when I take them there, they see it and they name what they see and part of it is an aspirational heart thing. You know how people say if it's on your heart, then it's yours to have. The reason you crave it and want it so bad is because there is a you somewhere in a parallel universe that already has it. That becomes true when you switch into the timeline. You access the timeline and the parameters that spirit gave me, for the healing modality is the group version, is once we get to 2035, we have solved for X, we have solved for whatever it is that is plaguing us now. Whatever is wrong, broken, bad, undesirable. We've solved it and all we're naming is what we see. We can talk about how it was solved, but we're seeing it in the aspirational. And then the last component of it is that there's nothing about our current situation right now. That is an accident.

All of this was designed by people who weren't trying to create inclusion. For you or me, right? Whether it is because of gender, sexual orientation, race, national origin, spirituality, it doesn't matter. We were not centered in that. So when we travel collectively into that aspirational future, we are centering, frankly, everybody, but most certainly those who have not been centered before. And the thing that blows my mind every single time is I have taken thousands of people from all over the world. The only place I haven't seen anyone from is Antarctica. I've taken thousands of people from all over the world and to a person. We are all seeing the same future. That tells me something In our heart lies an aspirational future in which we are all thriving, in which scarcity is no longer manufactured right, in which wellness and health is something that is accessible and abundant. It is absolutely exhilarating, and that's why I keep going back, because I'm like I don't know about 2025, but take me to 2035.

0:34:34 - Felicia Jadczak I'm like, can we just time travel with you after this is over? Because, like, let's get to 2035 in a better place, because I'm ready.

0:34:42 - Doc Jana And it was so wild because I didn't again, I didn't even pick the year. That was the year that was given to me and I didn't know that had spiritual significance. I didn't know that there were prophecies and that there were things that were foretold, Just like right now, the age of Aquarius, Pluto and Aquarius is something that is power to the people. This is time for revolution. This has always been in the stars. 2035 is in the stars as something that is supposed to be vastly different from where we are now. I had no idea about that when it was given to me. That was the date I was given and that was the date that I went with.

0:35:10 - Felicia Jadczak That is so fascinating. So Rachel's a Virgo, I'm an Aquarius with a lot of Virgo tendency, so such a strong Virgo energy Felicia.

But I'm here for the age of Aquarius, 100% in all ways, facets and forms. But I find it so fascinating what you just said about all these people that you've had these experiences with and worked with through this time travel, and how we're all accessing this same vision. And so I guess, like, is there anything with this collective future vision that you've heard or felt or seen that ties back to right now, in 2025? So you know, that's a 10 year difference that obviously we could probably spend hours and hours just unpacking all the terrible things that are happening right now in the midst of beautiful things as well, but, like, is there anything about our moment right now that you have, like learned? I guess that we could be doing something to get to that, absolutely.

0:36:08 - Doc Jana Yeah, yeah, yeah. So right now, like personally, in this precise moment, I do not know a single person who is not in the squeeze. I don't know anybody who is not going through something that is so deeply profound, painful, transformative pick your adjective. People are going through it, okay, and the world, the sort of collective consciousness, our societies across the globe, are experiencing something also that is deeply transformational, painful, right Revolutionary. And the thing that we need to do and it's shown up in many of my sort of inspired and sort of downloaded social media posts is that we have to focus on the aspirational, we have to focus on the hope, like, feel the feels, mourn the losses.

But we are being actively programmed into fear, we are being programmed into submission, and the more we stare at the news and the more we lament what is happening, the less effective we can be at shifting the tide. They need us to be despondent, they need us to be depressed, they need us to be broke on the wheel of capitalism and debt and poverty. All of they need us to be sick. And so it feels to the empathetic heart cruel and unkind to look away from what's happening in Gaza, to look away from starvation, from poverty, from the incarceration and the concentration camps being built in American territories and people being sent off. Human trafficking is what that's called. Right, it seems like it is a terrible, irresponsible thing not to look. And it's not that we don't look, it's that we don't stare. You must look, you must know, you must put whatever energy you have to give and I don't mean we cannot sacrifice ourselves on the pyre right. But if what you have in abundance is money and you can finance the cause, if what you have in abundance is time, then give some of your time. If what you have in abundance is stuff around your house that you can donate to the folks who need it, then donate the stuff.

Identify where you have excess, channel that energy in and then focus on what you are building and adding into the world. That is an expression of your love and your creativity and your hope. Focus on maintaining a thread, a constant thread of joy, even if it's an underlying trickle. You've got to feed that joy, because that joy is part of what holds up the light matrix. Like the revolution doesn't happen on its own.

The light keepers and the healers and the spiritualists aren't just doing this on our own. It used to be Sundays only, but now every day at two o'clock, between two and 2.15,. We missed it because we were doing this here, but it's okay because it's every day. There's no Zoom, there's no leader, there's no shaman, but between two and 2.15, if you remember, if you put it on your phone meditate on ushering in a new frequency of love for humanity, for the earth, for the cosmos, for everyone. And there are thousands and thousands of people all over the world that are doing this.

And that energy matters. Whatever it is that lights your fire. If it is painting, if it is dancing, if it is knitting, if it is crocheting, it doesn't matter what it is. If there is something that lights your little spark that just makes you happy, I mean it can be digging in the dirt. That is sacred activity. You're grounding, you're connecting to mother earth. You've got to do that. Like you've got to do that now. It's a matter of urgency, because your wellness is connected to all of our wellness. And like there are too many people right now who don't have access to any of the joy, right, they have to find a light from within so that they can just not die. They don't have the excess in any arena. Those of us who have it anywhere. Even as we are transforming and burning and doing all of the things and being in the squeeze, we maintain that joy however we can, because it really does matter. That is what shifts the tide, is our hope and our love.

0:39:50 - Rachel Murray Well, it's been lovely speaking with you. I think we did it. No, I'm kidding, it's just. That's amazing.

0:39:54 - Felicia Jadczak We're just like off to meditate and like put my energy out there.

I did have a quick follow-up question, if that's okay.

So this is a question that I've actually asked a lot of people, but it's so timely given what you were just sharing, and so I'm like for anyone who's just listening and is not watching later on, like I was aggressively nodding through everything you were just saying because that was so powerful and I'm so here for all of it. And my question is I continually wonder about the balance of like I don't know what we want to call it like work or activism or revolutionaryism or whatever it is versus joy, Because I, both for myself and collectively, I wonder if sometimes, like, we're tipping too much into being like, oh well, I have to tap into the joy because of everything you just said, which I don't discount at all but then if we don't balance it with, like, the giving and the work and the you know, the donations and whatever else it might be, then that seems out of balance. I'm just curious, like how you've seen that or what you think about that kind of like. You know back and forth there.

0:40:56 - Doc Jana There is no have to, there is no should right, there is, honestly, for each of you and me, there is only your singular experience, right? What you're experiencing in your matrix is actually very different from what I'm experiencing in mine. I am the hero in my story and I'm choosing my path and everything that's unfolding around me looks different the more you stare at that stuff. That is awful, you're going to actually get more of it. You're going to feel more of it. There's a difference between what you're talking about as the balance of that sort of spiritual responsibility. But it's also spiritual responsibility, right, you have a spiritual responsibility to understand that we must exist in community and take care of each other, but you also have a spiritual responsibility to cultivate your joy so that you have the power, the fire, the joy and love to give into these situations. So, yes, there is a balance and there's a difference between that balance and there is, unfortunately, a critical mass of energies that are denying that it's happening, that don't care that it's happening, that are signing up to wear masks and make it happen, right? So, when you've got energies that are part of the problem, either through direct action that is harming people or through abject denial, that anyone's being hurt or that it matters at all. That's a very different balance. That balance is problematic because they're being part of the problem and by pretending that it, because those of us who are accepting the spiritual charge, the spiritual call of cultivating our joy and contributing where we can, you must absolutely not martyr yourself for the cause. You are no good to us if you are depleted. You are no good to us if you are depleted. You are no good to us if you are giving everything that you can and then you've got nothing left, because where do you end up? You end up in the low vibrational field and you actually end up contributing to the other side. You cannot do that. And so the folks who are in denial or who are actively harming the rest of us all of us, because when we harm one of us we harm all of us.

That is energy. I mean, we wrote them into our play, we wrote them into our thing. It's part of what is required. But if you are attempting to be part of the solution, if you are accepting your calling as part of the front of the spear in the spiritual warfare, then you can do both and you can do them in a way that feels good. If you're feeling guilty about one or the other, then go back in and redirect. Go back in and meditate and figure out what that is, because that's ego stuff. That's not you. Your spirit knows how to take care of you and take care of each other in community. It's our culture that has not taught us how to do that. We have not been supported in doing that. We've been told isolate, be alone, go be around everybody, be scared of other people and hoard resources. So it is the untraining of that narrative that is required for you to find a balance that feels both gentle and honest and responsible.

0:43:46 - Felicia Jadczak Thank you, all right, I feel like I feel charged. That's really helpful. I do appreciate that.

0:43:51 - Rachel Murray And I appreciate that too, because Felicia and I are so lucky because we have each other that we can lean on in these times and we go, we can.

sometimes we'll spiral and be like, ah, I cannot believe what is happening in the world, and then every now and then, I just get to a place where I'm like everything's going to be fine, because I do believe that. But I also want to talk more about this, the timeline in 2035, and you said something that I thought was interesting around. Like you know, maybe at some point, like you'll be able to monetize and I watched one of your other videos around bartering and that's something that we've lost the art of, I think, as a people have to say around, what could potentially exist in a future world is, you know, we are kind of in maybe the death throes of capitalism, right, and I think a lot about that. And you know we talk about like, until that happens, we still got to pay them bills and like still got to do things.

But I'm wondering, like with this 2035 or you know, I've heard people talk about like 2030. I've heard people talking about the aliens coming down in 2027, maybe the end of next year. So, like, talk us through, like, what are you seeing? What are you thinking?

0:45:00 - Doc Jana What am I seeing? That's a good, that's a good, I don't know. Are they separate? I don't even. What I'm thinking is that I need space. Daddy, come get me soon. Uh, I'm looking for my spaceship so soon, but no, what I'm seeing is so I've got to thread this needle.

So the first time we had a political situation that was questionable and I saw everyone running around and just absolutely beside themselves. That was right. When I published my first book, I actually Tim Kaine had endorsed it and we thought that maybe he was going to be vice president Whoopsie. And so what happened there was I was not happy in like, oh yay. But I was happy because what we immediately saw was the truth, right, right. And like if you are a in any way a member of any marginalized or underappreciated demographic, you always knew that the stuff hadn't gone away. Right, you just. It just wasn't visible for all to see. And so I've always appreciated candor. I'm not going to waste my breath in a situation or with a person who I know wants me dead. I'm going to go spend my energy somewhere else. And so what I appreciated was that out of the woodwork came people who were willing to tell their truth.

Now. It's gone really far now and it's very violent and very scary and gross. However, we will never be able to deal with the scars of the world we've created until we can put everything on the table and say here's the truth of who we have been as a collective humanity, and we must reconcile. I don't know if we can reconcile. We were never conciled in the first place, so we must reconcile to begin with.

So what I see is I see now a critical mass of humans who want something better, who are able to see, in many cases for the first time, the number of people who are reaching out and are telling me how these things are touching them now, where in previous administrations, institutions, iterations of life, they could insulate themselves from the pain, right from the specter of fear. That's becoming harder to do now and, as painful as it is to experience and as painful it is to watch, as an empathetic person, watch other people go through, it is necessary. So what I see is people one, you've got enough light keepers who are saying okay, we got to do something and we are activated and we are doing what must be done to hold up the higher, energetic. And then you have other people who are honestly. There's a mass awakening happening right now.

So people are waking up to their you know, to the unseen parts of them, to the other side of the veil, to the spirituality, and it's scaring the living daylights out of them. But it is also necessary, and as they wake up, it becomes more and more difficult for them to pretend that the humanity is not in pain, that their neighbors are not suffering, and that, again, hard to experience, very, very vital for the revolution and for the transformation. So what I'm seeing is a collective humanity going through a very difficult process, but a necessary one, and because of what I've experienced with all of these people traveling into the future, is we know what we want Like. It's not even going to be that difficult to create, because we know what it looks like, we know what it feels like in our hearts, we know what it feels like in our bodies, and so we're going, we're going, we're marching very diligently towards that goal, but it is hard to watch, though, for sure.

0:48:34 - Rachel Murray Yeah, and I just want to follow up on that because I agree, Phyllis, and I both agree with you so much on everything that you've just said.

And it's just, it's so interesting because it's very easy and convenient, I think, for those of us who have been traditionally Democrats on the left to be like, oh, it's good versus evil, just the way the other side sees that way right.

And I think what has been so interesting to your point is the Mamdani mayoral candidacy in New York City and seeing Democrats show up like in such a disgusting way against their own party because of their own interests, and it again it sheds this very clear light.

I mean, I remember in Boston when Ayanna Pressley was running and we had the privilege of having her at an event and she was just talk about a light bringer, oh my gosh. And she was running against the person who was the incumbent, the white man who was like you know, and she ended up winning and that was such an incredible moment. And so, seeing to me, it seems like it's ultimately, it's this power thing is what it comes down to. And so, seeing to me, it seems like it's ultimately it's this power thing is what it comes down to, and so, seeing this shift in power and this awakening, I just I'm so here for it and I just am so excited for it to just happen and for all of us to understand what the real threats are in this world that we live in.

0:49:56 - Doc Jana It is not are in this world that we live in. It is not the just happening part that's so awful, because the thing that used to bother me was we know that we need massive change, right, we know that it is a I mean, it is a transformational shift that is required. And the thing that used to boggle my mind before Spirit gave me this time travel was how in the world are we going to instigate the kind of change, the magnitude of change, that is required, if the only thing anyone is interested in is teeny, tiny, incremental change? And then we get this situation. We get someone with a blowtorch who is just burning the entire thing down and again, like there's so many ways to look at it, I could be sad about that, but now I'm going oh thanks, now I understand, because you're going to take the whole thing apart and we will have no choice but to rebuild it. And what I can tell you is that there are enough people who want to rebuild it in a good way, in an equitable way, that we can actually accomplish that. The part of the reason like why did DEI come under attack? Because it was working.

I've had to tell my colleagues across the board like y'all are sad because they came for us and you feel dejected. I'm like yo, we finally got legitimacy in our field. You don't. It's just like you don't sue someone who doesn't have anything. You don't come for an industry that isn't winning. That is one of our greatest victories. This season is one of our greatest victories because they came for us because this work was taking hold and transforming the workplace, transforming capitalism as we knew it, and they couldn't stand for it. And the other thing I've said it before in the post like all of these people with power and leadership, y'all think look, I don't care what kind of conservative religiosity they preach, they have psychics and tarot readers too. They know exactly what's coming and they are shoring up as much power as they can because the people are activated and we are coming. So they are trying to brainwash you into silence, submission and fear as much as they can, because they've already lost Full stop.

0:51:55 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so powerful and yes to everything, and I think that's exactly it right. It's like okay, without even talking about what's going to come next for all these folks, because who knows? But we can certainly speculate. It's so true, they're trying to hang on to whatever they can now, while they can, because they know that the tide is turning, and so that just really spoke to me, and Rachel and I have talked about this a lot too, about, like, how it is, you know, with the thing she referenced just now, like it's such a blatant power dynamic and that's why, like, for me personally, I got so angry about it because I'm like it's not about political leanings, or are you a good person, or are you old or young or any. Like you know, gen Z, millennial, whatever it is, it's nothing. It's literally power and money, and it's so gross when you see it blatantly laid out in front of you in this way, and I think that's part of it right.

Like we're going through this time of transition, and something we have been talking about a lot, at least this year, if not even last year or years before, is about this idea of like change and transition and linking it to this idea of birth and you know, I think, for your roles with, like, both the birth and the death, and how, again, it doesn't have to be good or bad, it just is. And birth can and I've never given birth and Rachel hasn't either. We're both cat moms, no human children. But my understanding is like your body transforms. It can be painful, it can rip you apart, it can be beautiful, it can be all these different things, but at the end of the day you're transforming into somebody new at the end of it. So, anyway, that was just. I'm like experiencing a lot right now.

0:53:29 - Doc Jana There is a resource that I am going to have to find and send to you offline. I can't remember what his name is. A professor was giving a talk in some Scandinavian country and it was the most profound analysis of what is happening when we look at the oligarchies and we look at the power structures and what they're after, and the thrust of it was people are trying to make sense of it and you'll never make sense of it. There is no logic here. It defies all logic, he said, unless you look at it from the perspective of the ancient gods, if you look at the Norse gods and you look at the gods of old these people, if you think about how the ancient gods used to be buried with their mistresses, their wives, their pets, their gold, their hoards, their fortunes. They took it all with them because they thought in the next life they would have it and then it was theirs and they could keep it.

Whatever the people who are in power now, they think that the earth is their domain. They think that we are their slaves. They think that all of it is theirs, which is why they're willing to take down the entire planet and harm anyone necessary in order to store their hordes and take it with them, and I was like that's the first thing that has made any sense, because not some of these people are stupid just genuinely, and I don't. It's not nice to talk about intellectual capacity, but some of these people just aren't firing on all cylinders and have too much money and power to go with it. But some of these people are brilliant and they are making choices on purpose. On purpose, and when you look at it through the lens of I am a powerful God and all of this is mine, I can do what I want with it, I can take it, and if I'm going to die, so are all of they, and so is it. That's the most sense anything is made.

0:55:05 - Rachel Murray Well, I want to talk a little bit about that in relation to work. I do want to bring that back because I cannot believe what time it is already. Literally could talk to you for like 15,000 hours. Oh my God, we're going to have a part two, awesome, oh my God, I mean, if you're up for it.

0:55:20 - Felicia Jadczak we have so much more to talk about?

0:55:27 - Rachel Murray Yes, first of all, before I ask the question, I wanted to just throw this out here because I saw this. I couldn't even bring myself to actually listen to the podcast episodes. This podcast called Diary of a CEO and he had some guy on and in the description he was like well, there's no point anymore. So this is why we need to leave Earth, and we just need to. He's talking to some billionaire and we just need to like leave Earth and like go to another planet, and my thought was like you know what? I think I figured out how to fix everything. Let's get all those billionaires. You got it in a ship. Take buh-bye, go ahead, please go in a ship. Take buh-bye, go ahead, please go. Colonize Mars, do what you need to do, keep the Earth for us. We got this and it will be so much better.

0:56:03 - Doc Jana They need slaves because they're not going to do any work. Thank you, well, this is why Well, they can take some robots with them.

0:56:08 - Felicia Jadczak Oh okay, Cool AI they can take.

0:56:10 - Rachel Murray AI Goodbye. I mean to me that seems like the goal. I mean I've said this before. It's like I feel like the reason why there is this just hard push for AI is because they don't want to deal with the humans who need time off. Peter Thiel has said that.

0:56:23 - Felicia Jadczak He said that out loud. Wait, who said this? Peter Thiel. He said people need to get rocks and then replace us with robots.

0:56:29 - Rachel Murray Yeah, because they want slaves, so that's perfect. So okay, so we're in this wild transitionary period, right, you are doing this work, and I'm curious are you still doing like corporate work right now?

0:56:46 - Doc Jana And I love that for you so good, because no, I got to the point where, I mean, I was just like I don't have a poker face. I was burnt out on the work ages ago. I was burnt out of spiritual awakening season 17, 17, 18. That's when I was burned out on the work ages ago. I was burnt out of spiritual awakening season 17, 17, 18. That's when I was burned out on the work. And then the thing that got me was I just kept looking at the universe and being like, why did you have me write like five books in four years? Like I wasn't even, I didn't even, I didn't have, I didn't have authorship as a goal. Like it was just it, just I channeled all these books and I'm like, why? And then 2020 happened, george Floyd was murdered and I was like, oh, you want me to be in a particular position as the world is grappling with this really painful thing that I can help with. Okay, so I buttoned up my socks. I don't have socks, I don't have buttons on my socks. I buttoned up my socks and I went back out there for, you know, around 27. But I got to the point, and I got to the point with my company where I wasn't really working in it for the last few years anyway, I wasn't doing that. So, as all this, all the stuff started to fall apart, I'm looking at my team. I'm going y'all see the writing on the wall, right, you see this and like nobody was trying to leave, and I'm just like y'all this is not looking good, and so I am very happy and grateful that there are so many beautiful and, in many cases, younger people who have energy for the fight.

I'm not fighting with boards of directors. I'm not fighting with HR managers. I'm not fighting with the people on the inside anymore. I do work at the highest levels of you know like I work with think tanks that are all about creating both offensive and defensive strategies for this work. I will work with individual CEOs or maybe board leaders who are interested, who are in alignment. I'm not fighting with anybody. I'm not making the case. If you don't see the case, I ain't for you. So I do work with some. I still have some spots available where I could sit on some boards of directors. If people want this perspective, I will sit on paid boards of directors because this work is absolutely valuable.

Other than that, I am back to writing. My focus is on this spiritual component. And then I have a whole other secret passion. That's my childhood dream. My childhood dream I'm an actor and a voiceover artist. So I am doing films, starting with lots of short films, got a couple of features coming up and, weirdly, writing a movie which I was not expecting to do. I will see all of it. I will do all of it. I'm ready. I'm so excited.

I did found a nonprofit, so Manifest Equity is by nonprofit and so that, like the time travel, I own trademark to that, so I do it under the other brand as well.

But manifest equity is making wellness accessible to equity, seeking people and allies. So manifest equity, I'm using the non-profit model because we're subsidizing healers and healing so that the people who are when I look at what's happening, it is the people most at the margins who are kind of hurting the most because there's like just so much less support for them. And when I think about how I've been able to sustain with acupuncture and massage and sound healing and all these different things, most people who need it can't get it or don't even know about it. And so I'm helping wellness practitioners, you know, expand their businesses, creating a fellowship program that allows them to not charge people who need it, to make it very either no cost or low cost accessible, and to continue to build a thriving, compassionate model of business that always makes room for the people who otherwise couldn't do this for themselves. So pivot, but still where's diversity, right at the heart of it?

1:00:11 - Felicia Jadczak Oh, my goodness, we have so many more questions, but we do not have time to get through all of it, so maybe what we can transition to no pun intended is you touched on a lot of things just now, but what do you feel is lighting you up the most at this moment in time? Is it a practice, is it a project, like you mentioned, the voiceover work or the nonprofit work? Is it just a way of thinking? Is it something else, what's kind of really giving you joy in this moment?

1:00:40 - Doc Jana So one. I am actively fundraising for my nonprofit. If you go to my link in my bio I don't know if it's in my link in my bio but if you go to manifestequityorg, there is a donation page there, and because I keep coming across healers who just think this is a great idea, one of the things that we're including in the fellowship is the time travel fellowship. We are certifying people to do this. I can't be the only one that's offering this magic. We are certifying people to do this. I can't be the only one that's offering this magic. And so the time travel is the centerpiece of my universe right now, both my own practice and then figuring out how to scale this through the nonprofit to make it accessible both to practitioners and help them stand their own business up around it, and also to the people who need it. So if you want to support the nonprofit, please donate there, and if you're interested in solo time travel or any of the other myriad offerings that I have, definitely check out TiffanyJanacom. There's so much there for you.

1:01:23 - Rachel Murray Oh my gosh, I am so excited. Is there anything we missed before on this particular one, because obviously we're talking again.

1:01:29 - Doc Jana We're doing part two.

1:01:30 - Rachel Murray I mean we're like besties now. Oh my God, don't even say that. Joy right now.

1:01:34 - Felicia Jadczak Don't even mess with me. Right's a great joy right now.

1:01:39 - Rachel Murray Don't even mess with me right now, so Boston.

1:01:41 - Doc Jana And where are you, rachel? I'm in San Diego, san Diego, okay. So look, I collect my besties around the world and, like when I'm in town, just know that you're going to get a heads up.

1:01:51 - Rachel Murray That's all. Well, our buddy Cindy. So she speaks with angels, she communicates with angels, and so she kind of opened my eyes to all of this beautiful world. And Felicia, when she was out here came and I just feel like San Diego is just like a hotbed for all of this.

1:02:05 - Doc Jana Beautiful. I would move to California April 2020, but I got a pandemic, it said, so I stayed here because I was like, do I want to be in Los Angeles during a global pandemic, or a sleepy little town with the only doctor governor in the country? I'll stay here, thanks.

1:02:19 - Rachel Murray Yeah, totally fair choice, doc Jonna. Thank you so much for spending this time. Cannot wait for part two.

1:02:27 - Doc Jana Yay, thank you so much for having me. It's been a real treat.

1:02:31 - Felicia Jadczak I cannot wait for part two. So excited. A lot to share in part two, but we did it. We hope you enjoyed listening as much as we really enjoyed having that conversation.

1:02:43 - Rachel Murray Yes, thank you so so much for listening. Please don't forget to rate, share and subscribe. It makes a huge difference in the reach of this podcast and, by extension, this work. So visit us on YouTube, instagram and LinkedIn and sign up for our newsletter at inclusiongeekscom forward slash newsletter to stay up to date on all things Inclusion Geeks Stay geeky friends. Bye.