Co-Creating the Future with Cindy Aaker

0:00:07 - Rachel Murray Hi and welcome to the she Geeks Out podcast, where we geek out about workplace inclusion and talk with brilliant humans doing great work, making the world a better and brighter place. I'm Rachel and I'm Felicia.

0:00:19 - Felicia Jadczak So you know what she's so nice. We had to do it twice and we're rhymers. In this episode we are reconnecting with Cindy Aker, who is an intuitive guide and founder of Soul Speak. She helps people connect with angels. Yes, really, if you did not listen to her first episode with us, you need to stop right here, go back, listen to that first and then come back, because we barely scratched the surface of her work the first time around, so this time we're just getting deeper into it. So don't miss out. Go listen, then come back here if you haven't already, and it's all linked in the show notes. But before we get to angels and all that good stuff, let's get into it, we'll get into you my business partner Angel.

Yes, and your experience, my angel as well, we're co-angels.

0:01:05 - Rachel Murray That's going to be our new. I love it. Add that to the title list. Exactly, linkedin update forthcoming. Well, so you, my friend, went to Startup Boston this week, so we're recording this. Friday, september 12th, and so you attended Startup Boston, you were on a panel. You attended Startup Boston, you were on a panel, and I thought that our lovely listeners might enjoy hearing a little bit about some of the magic that happened on this panel.

0:01:31 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, happy to share, and I'm just pulling up the pictures because it's got a long title, so I want to make sure I remember it correctly Because, as I say to everybody, in all aspects of my life I've had COVID twice and my brain is not the same as it used to be.

But I was very honored to be invited to be a panelist on a panel for Startup Week, boston, and the title was AI and People Ops how Startups Can Harness AI to Build and Support Sustainable Teams, and I was joined by Ryan Mahoney, who was our moderator. He's the CEO at First who, jen Paxson, who's the VP of People and Talent at a company called Roofer, and Jason Lavender, who's the co-founder and CEO, rather, at a company called Electives, which also does trainings, yeah, so basically, you know we got into it, and what I thought was interesting from my own perspective is, obviously, you know we do our consulting work and we do a lot of stuff around workplace, workplace inclusion, and when they first asked me to be on the panel, I was like but I don't really work directly in people ops, so am I the right person for this? But it's just like everything else that we talk about and in life, like it's all connected. Surprise.

So connected and I think that Startup Break Boston really a lot of the other sessions also focused on AI, which was super interesting and obviously it's really top of mind for everybody in all aspects. And what I kind of viewed my contribution to this panel was sort of discussing the pros and the cons especially from, like, the ethical considerations of AI, and we actually all three of us on the panel got into that. But that was really how I've kind of viewed my contribution, because we've had our AI webinar that we did a few months ago, which is available, I believe, through our SGO Learning or oh, it's available.

I think it's even available perhaps on YouTube, yeah, so that's out there if anyone wants to kind of take a look at that, and a lot of what we covered there I re-brought up during this panel. But basically, as I was telling you before, I actually was learning a lot myself during the panel, so I was definitely that person taking notes as we're talking. But I think the major takeaway is that people are using AI Like companies are using it. People who are in people, ops, who are in leadership positions, who are in management positions, who are in HR we're all using it. And part of what is happening is, you know and we talked about this a lot was that it's coming down to individual choices that we make. So as an organization and especially if you're somebody who has power and decision-making power in an organization like we are getting to, in real time, make choices about do we use AI, how are we using it, are we concerned about it or not? What does that look like for our people? And one of the interesting threads that started to come out was you know that people are using it a lot Like folks are using it for performance reviews, for using it as mentors, both for employees and for themselves, which I thought was a really interesting take as well. And then people are using it to determine whether an employee is going to be a flight risk or what the retention might look like for certain people or certain groups of employees. So you know that ties into things like pulse surveys and feedback and employee sentiments.

And then we talked a lot as well about is AI going to replace people completely?

And the sort of, I think, consensus was that, yes, it is going to definitely impact and it already has impacted a lot jobs and a lot of the conversations that people in these HR and people ops roles are having with their CEOs and with their boards.

Is the CEOs and boards saying, hey, can AI do this? Can AI be this person? Can AI replace this job role? And it's like a negotiation, because in some cases it's like, yeah, totally, ai can replace this role or this person, but in a lot of cases it's about sort of not necessarily pushing back, but adjusting and thinking about, okay, it's not going to be a complete replacement. Adjusting and thinking about, okay, it's not going to be a complete replacement, but how can we utilize AI in these roles to maximize performance or to be more effective? And so one of the things that we talked a lot about was AI in hiring, and so you know the questions in the panel from the group that was attending a lot of that touched on that theme as well, which was is it okay if you're a candidate and you use AI to craft your job application? What do you think actually, before I tell you kind of what we talked about, what do you think, rachel, On the market?

0:05:56 - Rachel Murray Yeah, I mean, I think, look, I think it's okay, look, if we're expected to use it right in our work, yeah, I think it does make sense, Not from an environmental standpoint, but yes, yeah, I threw that in there Best belief. Yeah, I mean, that's the biggest issue that I have with AI and I am an avid user of it and I do think about the ethical piece of it from that perspective. But, yeah, I think it's fine. It's just really messy because it feels like how is it working? I'm actually curious about how effective it is on, both for people who are recruiting and for people who are job seeking. How effective is it? Because it just seems like, at least in my LinkedIn feed, it's just a hot mess right now. I mean, most of the people are unable to get a job.

0:06:45 - Felicia Jadczak It is such a hot mess when it comes to hiring overall for a lot of reasons, a lot of which we've touched on in the past. But yeah, I mean there's so kind of where we landed with our discussion of this was this is an evolving situation, first of all, and there's no like rules or regulations at this point, so every company is doing it differently. But what a lot of us kind of discussed was the fact that if you are expecting and want your employees to be using AI in their jobs, then why wouldn't you want them to use AI in their job applications? Obviously, there's always the flip side of it, which is well, what if someone's using AI to like copy and pasting or like giving you what you want to hear, and they don't actually have a skill set? They can use AI as a skill, but they don't have the other skills that are needed, and it's like, yes, of course, that is like the other side of it and that's a consideration. But there was a lot of discussion around like transparency in terms of what is expected or what, or how the company views usage of AI, and we talked a lot about this idea of AI as a tool, and it's definitely like it's a bit of a runaway train at this point, but it is a tool and my contribution is like as a tool.

It's built by humans. Humans have biases, humans are not perfect, and so this tool is not perfect either, but there are a lot of benefits to it. But we have to remember that we can't take AI as gospel. Ai doesn't always give us what we want to hear. It gives us what we want to hear. It doesn't always give us the truth. It's not a search engine, but a lot of companies, it sounds like, are starting to put AI statements in their job application or their job descriptions rather. So I haven't looked up specifically, but one company that was mentioned as sort of like a one to follow was Help Scout. So they are starting to put AI statements in their job descriptions, and so I think that's a really interesting way of approaching it and I like that a lot because it gives the candidates permission to not only use it but also to think about how are they using it and how do they want to kind of build that into their candidacy.

And on the flip side my panelist Jason mentioned this like they had an open role. They posted recently and within four days, I think. He said they got 1,600 applications. You and I had been there before too, so we know what that's like, and so he was talking about how they were using AI to help narrow down and again, there's considerations with that right, because this is where there is research that shows that when you're using AI in these kinds of hiring, narrowing down situations, that it tends to sometimes favor men over women, younger people over older people.

There is an active lawsuit against Workday right now, which is, I think, specifically around age, but other aspects as well, around how their AI was used to narrow down and kind of treat candidates. There's also some really interesting studies and I'm looking at my notes here because I took some notes in advance, but there's some interesting studies that are just coming out. One's out of Harvard which indicates that women overall are slower to adopt AI tools essentially like a 25% lower rate than their male candidate counterparts or male employee counterparts. Rather, and in large part, it's because of ethical concerns.

0:09:54 - Rachel Murray Yep, I know we have. Yeah, damn ladies, I know right, we're the worst with our ethical considerations.

0:10:02 - Felicia Jadczak We don't want to burn the world down, and so that's one thing. Another really interesting study and this was just posted in HBR, I want to say, like maybe a few weeks ago, and it was researchers from a couple of different universities, but basically the takeaway from this study was that when reviewers who were looking at code that was being written by engineers, when they believed that the engineer had used AI to write their code, they rated the competence level of that engineer lower, even when they didn't actually use AI. It was just if the reviewers believed that they had used AI and surprise, surprise, this was worse when it came to women and older workers. What Can you believe? Can't believe it.

So yeah, there's I mean, I could keep going and going. There's a lot that we discussed and a lot to cover, but it was really informative and I think, both for me as someone who is putting my viewpoint out there from what you and I have talked about, as well as, I think, for the people who are attending, because it's an evolving field and there's no like best practice right now.

0:11:06 - Rachel Murray Yeah, thank you for sharing. I think that was really helpful and informative, and we've certainly had plenty of conversation around AI and I will say that I know people in my life who definitely are like FAI, like not interested in using it, like it's the devil. And my concern is that if there are enough people that are sort of of the mindset that are maybe a little bit more progressive or more empathetic, maybe that have a lot of hesitation using it, my fear is that the people then who are primarily using it are going to turn it into a tool that will be used for evil and not good, will be used for evil and not good, and I think that you know so I do. Even though I struggle with the climate change aspect of it, the energy resources aspect of it, I do use it because I, you know, I do my best. I'm like I'm in there as a lady who's being as empathetic as possible up in this space.

0:12:04 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, I mean, obviously we agree because we agree on pretty much everything. But you know, my take and this is what I shared at the panel yesterday was that, like it or not, ai is here. Yeah, like, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle AI is here and it's here to stay. So, from my perspective, I agree with you completely. I do not like the environmental aspects of it. I wrestle with that a lot, the IP being stolen, like all the things. Check out the webinar if you want to learn more about that, what my thoughts are.

But I struggle with a lot of it. But I also think that it behooves us to make sure that we understand it and we understand how to use it and we understand what the possibilities and the consequences are. Because if we don't, if we just sort of lean into being luddites when it comes to this, I think we're just doing ourselves a disservice, both individually and from the standpoint of our roles. And obviously you and I are in this company, including you, because the other people are like VPs of people, ops or whatever. But there's just we have to be aware of it it's like kind of the shift between like going from typewriters to computers, like, if you're not able to make that shift, you're going to be left behind, and that's not a good thing, necessarily, I think that's very well said and I also think that somehow, weirdly, it ties into our conversation with Cindy, because I was going to say, like the battle between good and evil.

Let's bring angels into the mix.

0:13:21 - Rachel Murray I know Well there's that and just, I think the reason why we're so excited to talk with Cindy is because we have a blast like sort of talking about what is happening in the world right now, like we are recording this at the end of a wild, wild week and God only knows, when this comes out, what else will have happened. But there's just so much happening and then, like you know, it's like these poly crises right, like it's just like there's all of this stuff that's happening. There is the birth of AI, there is climate change. There is just all of this stuff is happening at the same time and it's just, it is overwhelming. I said that just to make Felicia laugh, so I apologize. I hope it doesn't sound absolutely awful in someone's ears. I apologize. What is happening? What is happening? So yeah, so that's why we were so excited to talk with Cindy, and she comes from a place of a lot of hope and excitement and it's infectious, and I think we feel like let's just go, let's just do it.

0:14:30 - Felicia Jadczak We're in it, honestly, like what even is 2025? And you know what, like, I'm here for it. And again, if you haven't listened to the first part, please do that first. Yeah, then come back, because it's just a continuation of that conversation. We kind of just like jump right back into where we were at the end of last time with our conversation with Cindy. Yeah, you know, like, again, I'm here for it all. Bring on the aliens and bring on the angels, and maybe they're the same or the octopi, I don't know, but like you know, I'm here for it, let's just bring it in. So, I don't know, take me away.

0:15:02 - Rachel Murray Thank you for that Felicia. Let's bring on Cindy right. Welcome Cindy we're back.

0:15:08 - Felicia Jadczak Oh my gosh, so excited for part two.

0:15:12 - Rachel Murray It's happening. We only have we were just saying how we only have like 14 questions that we didn't get to from the last time. We had the wonderful, brilliant, empathetic Cindy on with us. So let's do this. Felicia, do you want to kick us off?

0:15:30 - Felicia Jadczak Sure, yeah. Well, I'll just start by saying, cindy, since your episode with us went live I don't even know when it went live a few weeks ago, a few months ago, what is time I feel like just so many people have been talking to me about the episode and it was really resonating with a lot of folks. So I'm excited that we get this chance to follow up with you because, like Rachel said, oh my gosh, we have so many questions we did not even touch or sniff. So first question, just to kind of get us back into the groove and kick this great conversation off again. So we've all had conversations before. Obviously, we had our podcast episode and for any listeners who didn't listen to that one, you should definitely pause here. Go listen to that first, then come on back.

But you have said in the past, and maybe even pretty recently, that the world is in upheaval because it needs to be in upheaval, which is such an interesting way of thinking and talking about this wild world that we're living in right now. So what are you sensing Like? What is the upheaval for? What is it clearing the way for? Why are we needing to be in this upheaval right now?

0:16:31 - Cindy Aaker Well, there has been a lot of talk for a very long time about us moving into the age of Aquarius, right? I'm sure everybody's heard that term at some time I'm an Aquarian so I'm like it's my time there.

0:16:47 - Rachel Murray you say I think we should talk a little bit about it because I think that a lot of us only know about it from the musical.

0:16:52 - Felicia Jadczak A hundred percent From hair that will be playing in my head right now. Totally, we don't have money to play any actual song clips, so that's all you get.

0:17:02 - Cindy Aaker I am not an astrologist so I don't know all the ins and outs of the astrology. But basically we are leaving behind the Pisces era and we're moving into a higher vibration. So it's the way all the stars and everything are all lined up and it's just bringing in a higher vibration is kind of just the layman's way of putting it. And as humans we are also needing to adjust to this higher vibration. So is the earth. Everything needs to adjust and nothing really changes if everything's just okay. So in order for things to actually change, it's got to get kind of yucky. Well, good news, it's yucky, we're in the muck, we're in the muck, and so right Like so. Nothing changes unless it's changed, and nobody likes to do change.

We are creatures of habit. We love to be familiar, we love to be comfortable. We don't like when things are not known. We don't like to be confused or uncertain of what we're supposed to be doing. And this energy is causing that.

And so there's this gigantic fight now to hold on to what we've had for so long, when the rest of energy and matter is moving up an octave, a few thousand years now, and now this octave we're moving up into the next one. So we're almost transcribing everything that we've been doing into a higher measure. But there's a lot of stuff that doesn't really fit in that higher measure, and so that stuff is starting to fall away, and the fighting to keep it in the lower measure is this upheaval, it's this desire to keep things the way it is, to not kind of ride the wave but to fight against the wave is what's kind of going on. It's like we're, we've been, we're fighting upstream. We're not all of us, but many of us are fighting upstream because things are just, they're crazy right now.

It's everything, every, every system that we have been living by seems to be changing, and it's by design. And in order for us to move up into this next octave, where there is going to be more connection, more love, more healing, we have to see all the garbage that we've been holding onto, so that we can finally just let it go. And so it's all coming up now. It's all coming up so that we can see it, we shine a light on it and then we let it go. So all these things that have been buried for so long that we thought maybe were gone, uh-uh, hello, still here because we never, ever released it. We just kind of hid it and now it's just coming up and it's pretty ugly to look at.

0:20:15 - Rachel Murray Yeah, it is really interesting when you think about it because, certainly with the current regime that we are living under, it is just so interesting to think that the alternative could have been a black woman as president. And to your point I mean, as much as I think it's safe to say that all of us would have loved to have seen that happen. I guess maybe in some ways it would have been like oh wow, are we in like a post-feminist? You know, sort of like the same conversation we were having when Obama became president. It was like, oh, there's no more racism in the country Hooray. It's like, oh, there's no more racism in the country, hooray. It's like, oh no, that's actually not true. So it's like I just wish it could be a little bit less awful. But that's just my wish.

But, and relatedly, I'm curious, like when we think about fear. You know, I think there's a lot of fear that's happening right now collectively, and I think, with your work, with the angels, I would just love to know how they think about moving through this time knowing that we are experiencing fear. I was thinking about this the other day, about, like, seeing the fear, feeling the fear and doing it anyway, kind of that was that Susan Powder, I think.

0:21:18 - Cindy Aaker Oh my gosh, that was my first like self-help book that I ever. I loved it. It was so helpful, so great.

0:21:25 - Rachel Murray By the way, she totally made like a little comeback courtesy of, like, jamie Lee Curtis. Side note, that's another. I'm going to have to explore that. Yeah, it's super interesting. But yeah, just sort of curious to hear what the higher powers have to say about the matter.

0:21:39 - Cindy Aaker Well, so fear? The only action fear has is to create more fear. That is the only action there. It's not even a real thing we created in our minds. It doesn't actually exist and it brings about a very low vibration. So all the fear that everybody's feeling is stemming from not knowing what is going to happen right and not trusting and going inward to kind of regroup. It's actually. The fear is actually because we're not living in the moment. That's what it kind of comes down to is everybody's thinking about the past and the future and nobody's living in the moment. And if we can stop and actually live in the actual moment that we are in and take stock of what's going on in our own selves, in our own bodies because we can't do it for everybody else and everybody's having their own experience and everybody's signed on and I know that's going to be controversial, but everybody's signed on for their own experience, for a certain reason, for the growth of their soul and to help other souls grow as well but if we can just take stock of what's going on. So this is something like those three o'clock in the morning fears that come in and wake you up and twirl around in your head and go and go, and if you keep watching all the news and keep watching all this like it's just the propaganda, is to instill fear in people, because fear lowers your vibration, which then makes you unable to connect to that true self that's in there which is going to bring a lot of calmness to you. Because when you can take stock and you can like okay, I have all my fingers, I have all my limbs. Yeah, I have a bit of a headache today, but overall I'm okay and my kids are okay and my mom is okay and we're okay. If you can just kind of take that moment and be like we're actually okay right now and live in just the moment, the moment, it will help you to kind of ground out of the fear. But fear again if everything is just okay, nothing changes right.

Fear is a catalyst. It's a huge catalyst and it's a part of our lives. It doesn't need to be a part of our lives and we're actually going to move into once. We're like, really, in the golden age, in the age of Aquarius, fear won't even have a place to land, it's not even going to exist, it won't even. That's the amazing thing is it's because we are in this low vibration right now that fear exists as we lift and we rise. It's not even going to have. It's like tuning in. We're living on station 107.3 and fear is 92.1. You can't experience it at the same time and that's where we're going. But again, we have to let it all go. We have to release it all and fear is just almost just a catalyst to do that in this moment. It's also a catalyst for dark work, for control. It's a huge thing that I mean everything is fear-based, fear-based everything.

Do this, or you're going to get cancer. Do this, or your kids are going to fail. Do you know? Everything is or something bad is going to happen. Everything is fear-based and it controls us. It controls us and the powers that be right now. They like that because it keeps people in a box and it keeps people from expanding themselves and that's kind of what it is.

But going inward, that's the way, that's always the way to kind of just breathe, follow the breath, work, grounding, just breathing and really just taking stock in the moment that we're in and not letting past things past like historical data.

What has been going on forever, because it's been going on this long, it has to continue this way, not true, every single morning we wake up is a brand new opportunity. We do not have to do the same thing over and over the affect of prior choice. We use that all the time to decide what we're going to do in the present. Got to stop doing that. Be like, actually you know what I'm not going to do, that I'm going to try something different. And then just your history in general. Right, your own personal history of your experiences, just trying to be like it doesn't need to repeat. Where attention goes, energy flows and if we're concentrating constantly on the past, that's what we're going to just experience in our present. And also if we are imagining a future. So it works in the other way as well. If we're imagining a future in a certain way, we're limiting all the other potentials. Right, if we expect it to be.

0:26:45 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, I love that thought, Cindy, because it's so interesting, right. Like, if we're driven by fear, how can we truly expansively think about the possibilities that are open to us if we're already limiting ourselves? And, as you were talking, what kind of was popping into my head was this idea that fear has been wielded as a tool to keep us from accessing those possibilities. But I kind of want to go back to one thing which you touched on a bit in a couple different ways, which I had been thinking about actually since our last conversation and we didn't really get a chance to talk. Couple of different ways which I had been thinking about actually since our last conversation and we didn't really get a chance to talk too much about it, I don't think. But Rachel brought up our politics and like where we're at right now and I definitely probably am too online and I follow a lot of stuff and a lot of people online.

But what I thought was so interesting after the elections last year was that I started seeing and I experienced this myself a lot of mostly women, although not exclusively women, but a lot of women, just to use that as a general catch-all group were reporting and sharing experiences of having woken up at 3 am the night or the morning of however you want to kind of slice and dice it of the election and having this sense of dread or this fear, that kind of like, woke them up. And there's been a ton of discourse around this online, mostly around like, what is this collective thing that it seems like a lot of us have tapped into? And I'm curious what your thoughts are, like, did or even for both of you, like, did either of you wake up at 3am with a sense of like dread Because I know I 100% did and didn't even look at my phone because I was like, I felt this feeling before and it was back in 2016. And so I just knew without even having to like wake up the next morning and actually learn the news. And I'm wondering if, like, that kind of feeling or collectiveness is more than just fear for fear's sake, but almost like a warning signal, right, like we're using fear or how can we use fear as a way to get out of being subjugated, but more of a way to arm ourselves with knowledge. Does that make sense?

0:28:52 - Cindy Aaker Yeah, I think it does. I don't think that fear can ever be an asset. Think it does. I don't think that fear can ever be an asset. So to arm ourselves with fear is doing ourselves a detriment. So, with regards to that moment, I knew that Kamala wasn't going to win. There had been a lot of strangeness. So I get up every morning at 5.30 and I go immediately outside and I ground in my backyard bare feet on the grass and I have a gratitude practice every morning and every evening before bed. And that morning was really intense because I went outside and I hadn't looked either. I think actually my husband in the middle of the night looked. But I mean, we kind of already knew. Anyways, aside, okay, aside from my practice, I'm not even going to go into what happened, but there was some. There were some lights in the sky. Just I'll just leave it at that there was no light.

0:29:58 - Felicia Jadczak No, you have. You have to expand on that. I was like wait, sorry, Are we bringing aliens into the discussion? Because here for it, yes, we need to talk about this.

0:30:06 - Cindy Aaker Okay, so I went outside and I immediately as when I walked outside, I look at the stars and there was so much activity in the sky like there were. They weren't satellites, because they were flashes, really bright flashes, streaking, leaving a streak behind. I saw like probably like a strobe light type of thing, in two different spots in the sky, just really bright flashes. And then I saw like a double. It almost looked like a double. It's so weird, a double kind of star, but it was closer. You could tell that it was in our atmosphere, but they looked like two stars side by side, one bigger than the other, just slowly moving across in like a random trail, random trail.

So I knew as soon as I walked out that this was a massive. Something massive absolutely happened and there was a huge shift that happened on the earth and with the earth, like just there was an energetic change. It was almost like a switch being flipped with regards to the energy on the earth, and it has everything to do with that election and everything to do with the fear, because everybody felt that fear, everybody globally, was like holy crap, what did we do? What has happened? What is going on? And so that, I think is something that everybody felt, because it was part of our consciousness as humanity. It was that big of a deal.

0:31:52 - Felicia Jadczak And maybe that's like not fear then, but it was more like an acknowledgement of this shift. The fear was-. I was thinking about change, right, and like people are scared of change, but it was more like an acknowledgement of this shift. I was thinking about change, right, and like people are scared of change, but it's not. The fear was the reaction.

0:32:05 - Cindy Aaker Yeah, exactly yeah, the fear was the reaction.

0:32:08 - Felicia Jadczak Is this where we bring in? Are we living in a different timeline? Like do we jump timelines?

0:32:12 - Cindy Aaker Oh, timelines switch constantly, like we're always depending on what our energy, our own personal energy is at. We are jumping timelines all the time, all the time, just because if we are in a high vibration, we're going to be in the timeline. Generally, that is for our highest good. If we're really low, you're inviting in a lot of low stuff. You're going to stay in that low timeline. So timelines it's not like everybody jumps at once. We're constantly moving in different areas. Like every single decision we make creates a new timeline. Okay, I have questions.

0:32:49 - Rachel Murray So, because we've talked about this before, about like, if you're in your higher vibration, you know you are sort of like manifesting, like you are in a timeline that is like less, and I think about you and these conversations. Every time I look at the news, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like lowering my vibrations and I'm like in this space now and I don't want to be in the space, but I'm in this other space. So it's like, oh, I don't look at the news, so that's cool. So now I'm in this, am I like? But I'm still in the same timeline because, right, you're not gonna know that you've jumped yeah, like you don't.

It's not like the like, all of a sudden, like kamala harris is president no, no those kind of massive jumps.

0:33:28 - Felicia Jadczak That's marvel stuff okay yeah, because it literally go to loki at this point what about like the nadella effects like for example I.

0:33:36 - Cindy Aaker I really get that's the subtlety of it.

0:33:38 - Felicia Jadczak Right Like the fruit of the loom with the cornucopia, where I would like go to my grave on that. Of course, berenstain bears, I will also go to my grave for that.

0:33:47 - Cindy Aaker Yes, and I mean, there's so many. It was Luke, I am your father. It wasn't. No, I'm your father.

0:33:54 - Felicia Jadczak Yes, and so that's why I find and then also like the people who thought because I also believe this at one point that Nelson Mandela died in jail and I was like but he's not dead, Like what is happening. So I feel like those are clues, though, right, or?

0:34:09 - Cindy Aaker are we just getting all into conspiracy? No, no, no, no. That is exactly. The Mandela effect is a time that is the result of a timeline shift. Yes, Absolutely.

0:34:17 - Felicia Jadczak That's how that works. I mean, I guess what I'm saying and maybe Rachel, I think we're on the same page here is like you know universe, like we're okay if it's more Marvel-esque, because like if I could wake up tomorrow and have someone else be president, but then nothing's going to change.

0:34:31 - Cindy Aaker It's just going to delay what needs to happen. Yeah, so we are stuck in this way of being that 90% of the world. It doesn't work for them, like it, just it doesn't work for them. You've got the haves and the have-nots. You've got people starving and people living in gluttony, like, the quality is not there. We can't, that's not sustainable. Yep, it's just not sustainable. And so the shift has to happen in order for humanity to even continue to exist. Quite honestly, yeah, and so what happened needed to happen, because it's bringing up again all the garbage that we thought was buried or gone or didn't exist, so that we can actually, yes, say we don't want this anymore. Yeah, and this isn't working anymore.

And another astrological thing is the United States is going to have you know, it's 250th birthday, right, woo, yeah. But the interesting thing is is on, there's this astrologer that did the, did the astrology chart for the United States, because it has a birthday and so they could do it. And what is so interesting is the last time that we had our Declaration of Independence and we had the war that gave us our independence, pluto had just started its circle around the earth and it's getting right back there again. It's so. It's our furthest planet, that is, it has the exact same amount of years that it takes to make a full revolution around the sun, is the same age as the united states and it's a planet, and I was about to go to our graves.

0:36:18 - Felicia Jadczak We're all cool. Pluto's a planet still right.

0:36:22 - Cindy Aaker Yes.

0:36:23 - Rachel Murray I mean, we're calling it a planet.

0:36:25 - Cindy Aaker It's a planet. But so there again this is, and what is happening now is we're getting kind of back into that energy of all over again. This independence like what the government was doing, like the British government was doing, like the British government was doing back then, it seems is now happening again, like we're in this cycle of now we have to do our independence again, and so there's a lot to astrology and there's a lot to all of the ways that the stars and everything align, that funnels the energy in a certain way that humanity receives it and realizes that change is inevitable and we have to do it, it has to happen. And so this is happening again, like it's happening again.

0:37:16 - Rachel Murray Yeah, and you know this is probably a really good point to sort of ask because like, look, our normal podcast listeners are probably like what is even happening with inclusion geeks right now, like are they having a mental breakdown?

0:37:24 - Felicia Jadczak and we're getting into a higher vibration.

0:37:26 - Rachel Murray Yeah like literally. Well, I'm curious, because obviously I know that you are happen to even be married to a skeptic Like how do you have these conversations with people who are skeptical and I will share with you? Like I also, when we first met, I was like girl, and then now I'm like, yeah, I'm into it. How do you get people to start to really accept that this is a reality?

0:37:54 - Cindy Aaker Well, there are definitely people that are open to it and people that aren't. Well, there are definitely people that are open to it and people that aren't, and so I'm going to be attracted to the people that are and they are going to be attracted to me. So, generally, again, it's all about vibration. You can feel the vibe, and there are some people that I'm like I'm not even going to try because it's throwing what. Is it Casting pearl before swine? Isn't that biblical phase when they're just not gonna hear me at all, like they're just they're not gonna hear me in the slightest way? And then there are other people that they're noticing their own personal life is like what is going on? I don't know why things are so weird, and they're kind of searching for an answer. They're searching for a reason, and when I start talking it starts hitting them and they're like, oh my gosh, yes, oh my gosh, yes. And it starts to kind of make sense, just because that's the energy that is being supported also, right, so we have this container that we're supported, the energy that we're supported in by all of our light beings, by the earth herself, that is supporting this vibration being received. And so, again, the more we fight it, the harder our lives are, and it's getting to be even more and more obvious to people that if we're not heart-centered and we're not focusing on things that, like, really are important to us and in our heart and bring us joy, they and that it doesn't work anymore. It's not about working hard at all. It's about being truthful and being in your heart center with your work, and that's what's paying dividends now.

And more and more people are like I. Just they're even losing interest. They're losing interest in things that they loved for a really long time, that gave them joy. They're like, suddenly I don't have joy with this anymore, like it doesn't bring me any joy at all. My husband was a runner. He still is a runner, but he ran for like 25 years longer, since college Like 26 years, 27 years and he hates it now and it was his thing. Yeah, and he hates it now and it was his thing.

And this is the energy where it's like, okay, well, something's shifting, because you used to love this so much. Things are changing People and their work. If it's not fueling them here, they don't care about the money. That's the number one thing. That's a whole different mentality of the number one thing. I think it was the millennials. It was impact. What is the impact that my job is bringing, not only to myself but to the world? And that has become way more important than the money that they're making, and that is a complete switch from what the boomer generation had experienced.

0:40:56 - Rachel Murray Absolutely. I agree with that so much and I'm so sorry I have to ask a follow-up question because I can't believe I didn't actually put this in our initial questions. But like, we're talking a lot about like the future and what can happen, and we've had conversations and I would just love to know what is the future that you see for the world, Like once we get past? And like, do you have a sense of timing for us in this particular timeline of when we get to this wonderful okay, I.

0:41:24 - Cindy Aaker The thing about the energy right now is it's so in flux right now that it's really hard to make and I've been finding this with other psychics and mediums that it's really hard to make any type of predictions perfectly. It's more of I get more of a feeling of how it's going to be, rather than exact. Now I will tell you this the rest of this decade and up until 30, or 30, 20, 32, is going to be quite tumultuous.

0:41:56 - Rachel Murray Oh, that's later than you said to me originally.

0:42:01 - Cindy Aaker Well, not exactly, because, well, things are going to happen in 2026, 2027. Very interesting things are going to happen with regards to our off-planet friends. We'll just call them.

0:42:14 - Felicia Jadczak Oh yes.

0:42:15 - Rachel Murray Here we go.

0:42:17 - Felicia Jadczak Sorry, I'm like and yes, I have been called back into the conversation, Not that I'm not here. I don't want to stop what you're about to say, but I also want to go there to our off-planet friends. I don't think we talked that much about this last time and I want to know how we didn't talk about it at all because it crosses a barrier for a lot of people.

0:42:36 - Cindy Aaker How does it?

0:42:37 - Felicia Jadczak all work together Because, like okay, so again, just to reiterate like I feel like I have my moments where I'm skeptical but I'm very open to all of it, and it's Rachel is probably so freaking sick of me talking about aliens at this point. I'm not, I'm so here for all of it.

Let's go. I guess I'm no-transcript. They're out there. I don't know if either of you remember, but in like march or april 2020, the government 100 said, by the way, aliens exist. And then, yes, traumatized by the pandemic. So, like sorry, just did you watch that?

0:43:31 - Cindy Aaker I want to talk about aliens. Did you watch that? Netflix ufos declassified. Did you watch that?

0:43:37 - Felicia Jadczak No, oh my gosh.

0:43:40 - Cindy Aaker Oh my gosh.

0:43:42 - Felicia Jadczak I'm so sorry. I feel like I definitely cut off your train of thought, but like, where can we go from here? Okay, so okay.

0:43:48 - Cindy Aaker So here's what I'm going to. Here's what I'll just say. There is going to be a lot of tumult in the rest of this decade Cause, again, growing pains and birthing pains are very painful, they're not pleasant. Again, nothing changes unless things get really bad and people finally say no, no, no, we can't do this. And there's going to be a lot of that. There will be. Consciousness is rising, okay, and so you can't deny that the way energy works is it's always going to lift people up and if you're there, you can't be pulled down Because, again, you can't connect at that level. So the idea is, everybody is going to come eventually upward into this, but some people are going to be there first and then people are going to start to follow. Now there is definitely I mean there's going to be some global, some crazy global stuff going on, without a doubt, like it has to happen.

0:44:52 - Rachel Murray It's already happening.

0:44:54 - Cindy Aaker I mean, let's be real, we don't have to worry, I will say this we don't have to worry about. I will say this we don't have to worry about a World War Three.

0:45:01 - Felicia Jadczak Ok, OK, that's reassuring, because I mean definitely a worry for me there might be more.

0:45:07 - Cindy Aaker I don't know. There might be little wars, but we could already be in a World War Three, starting in the Middle East, if we were picking sides, quite honestly, and in Ukraine and Russia, we could already be there.

0:45:20 - Rachel Murray And in Pakistan I mean like In Pakistan exactly.

0:45:23 - Cindy Aaker We could already be there, but we're not doing that right. We haven't yet, and nobody wants to do that. There are some governmental people that are crazy, hungry for power, but the people don't want any of that. Nobody wants any of what is happening right now. Nobody wants it. And so the idea of having a World War III it's not going to come to fruition. We also do have, and that goes as well with using any kind of nuclear warheads or anything like that. That is also not going to happen.

The Earth is too valuable in the universe as a school of learning for souls that there are safeguards put up to prevent that type of thing from ever happening again, to prevent that type of thing from ever happening again. And so this comes to our friendly friends, our off-planet friends that have been here. They actually are already here, they've been here for a very long time, they're very good at being stealthy and they are in neighboring orbits. They're watching, they've been watching. They've actually I don't know if you've ever seen, but there has been areas where known nuclear facilities have been stored and kept and that these UFOs have buzzed them to let everybody know. We know what's here and we're watching you, and so that's not going to happen. Watching you, and so that's not. That's not going to happen. Do you remember the when it was the the oil spill, the massive one off, when there was the explosion on the oil rig way out in the ocean?

0:47:14 - Rachel Murray Yeah, it was like Exxon or Exxon yeah.

0:47:15 - Cindy Aaker Do you remember that? Yeah, where did all of that oil go?

0:47:20 - Rachel Murray One day it kind of just disappeared.

0:47:21 - Felicia Jadczak I don't know where the murder hornets went, either. Yes, because timeline shifts.

0:47:23 - Cindy Aaker And I actually want to it's not just a timeline shift, though. It was actually aliens.

0:47:29 - Felicia Jadczak It was help, and also, and maybe below, because what I also want to just throw out there for a little seasoning to this conversation was the idea and again I'm curious what both of you think about this is. I definitely heard people talk about how octopi, octopuses, octopi are aliens because they're so freaking smart and people are like these are literally aliens that live in our ocean. So maybe the oil that spilled there was something like maybe there's an. So maybe the oil that spilled there was something like maybe there's an oil palace, like in the depths, that all these octopi are like doing something. Well, they do squirt black ink. This is literally how bad conspiracy theories are.

0:48:11 - Cindy Aaker I don't know about that, that I am. I don't really stop eating them. I'm going to say no to that one, but that you know what, if it feels right to you, enjoy it.

0:48:22 - Felicia Jadczak Love it was basically like a parody, where it was two people dressed as aliens in like human clothing making fun of humans. And so they're like, you know, got like full like alien heads and like hands, like green skin, whatever, and they're like oh no, my tummy hurts, I can't go to the hospital because I have no money and no health insurance. It's like terrible stuff like that. And then in the comments someone was like but what if this is actually aliens? This is actually what they do and they make fun of us, isn't that?

0:48:59 - Rachel Murray like cultural appropriation from aliens, right, like I, and Sydney like I so appreciate you because I can tell you're like, you're like dabbling into this and you're like I don't even know who's listening to this right now, and I know how wild all of this sounds. And I will just say, for anyone who is still listening and has not turned this off, one of the things that I just so appreciate about you, cindy, is that you are humble about this. Right, you were like I know this sounds absolutely crazy, but this is my truth and ultimately, the reason why we wanted to have you on is because I think personally and I think Phylicia also feels this way is it is really important to have these conversations about what is possible in the world, because we do live in this wild time where it feels like there aren't any possibilities, right, so it is nice to lean into something where that feels hopeful, which I think is what you offer.

0:49:57 - Cindy Aaker I feel like we are living in a time where absolutely anything is possible. I'm the shit that. Sorry, we don't swear on this one. No, we can swear, okay, 100%, absolutely the shit that is going on in our government has never happened before. I mean, this is a possibility, right, that we never expected. So who's to say other possibilities, anything goes now. That's true, that's exactly it right.

0:50:22 - Felicia Jadczak It's like, well, if we can be, if all these terrible things that, however many years ago 5, 10, 15, 20, 100, whatever people were like, oh, that's like 0.0001% chance of happening, and now it's all happening, why can't we have good possibilities?

0:50:35 - Cindy Aaker happening. That's exactly what we want to happen to, yeah, our default is always negative.

0:50:43 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, it's always negative. It's for humans. It's the negativity bias that we trend to as human beings Like we always focus on that.

0:50:48 - Cindy Aaker It's always worst case scenario. It's never best case scenario, like our default is worst case scenario, and this is why we are living the way we are living because we expect the worst to happen. So when? Why are we surprised when it does, when that's what we're always expecting?

0:51:04 - Felicia Jadczak Well, exactly that it's like about our mental framing. Like I talk about this with my therapist all the time because, like, I'm definitely not like a highly anxious person, but I have a lot of anxiety around certain things and I definitely find, or have found in the past, comfort in thinking through worst case scenarios, because in my mind I'm like, if I can think about it, then I will prep for it and then, if and when it happens, I'm ready to go Like, let's do it. Her thing is and this is what we spent a long time working on together and why I still work with her is around let's flip it. What if the best thing can happen? What if the most amazing thing can happen?

Why do we have to, going back to your point, live in this place of fear and limitation instead of this expansiveness? And it sounds like, whether you want to talk about it from the lens of like the angels or the aliens or the whatever, or therapy, or growth mindset or magical thinking, whatever label you want to give to it, it is a fundamental brain shift in terms of how are we approaching the world, and I think that's exactly like what all of the things that you're talking about, cindy, is really sort of like tapping into and what you're giving voice to here, and I think that's why, like Rachel and I are so open to it, because it's like, okay, well, you know what, like the traditional stuff that we were working in terms of how we're boxing ourselves and naming the work that we do, it's gotten us to a certain place, but, you know, we're kind of hitting the end of the line here. So what else is out there? How else can we reframe what we're doing and how we're thinking about this?

0:52:37 - Cindy Aaker Well, and that comes back to again like don't limit your potentials, like and don't create potentials yeah, like you. And everything exists, every possibility exists, if you can think it, it exists, yeah, plain and simple, and it's in the ethers, right? And the way we draw it to us is through our vibration. Everything is vibration. The universe works not with words, but with vibration, and certain thoughts will give your body a vibration and you'll give off this vibration, and then the universe is like oh, I see that vibration, they must want that, so here have it. And so that's how the law of attraction works, right? So if we're always thinking worst case scenario, we're living in that energy, we're giving that energy off. The universe is like gotcha, sending it your way and then you've manifested it. It is how you expected it. But if we don't even create the potential for that this is what I mean when I say that in the future, fear won't even be a potential People will be like wow, I can't believe anybody ever thought that way or that all these terrible things ever happened, because it would just, it, just, it's not even going to exist Again. We're not going to. There's going to be no container, no space held for these low vibrations.

We are also on the earth and we are living in density right. We chose to come here to experience. Every single one of us is a spiritual being. We're all spiritual. Every single thing we see is spiritual. It's just in density right. And so, if you can think that anything that you can imagine we can do as spirits, we actually can do as humans, we just have to realize that the vibration is what is preventing us from being able to do these things. And this is what I mean when I say we're lifting, we're rising, we're actually going to become lighter. We're going to be able to hold more light in our bodies. We're not going to need to eat as much food. Everything is going to be very different because we are rising and the energy is going to be reciprocated.

0:54:56 - Rachel Murray Yeah, and I just want to add onto that and sort of circle back onto the point of fear that you talked about, because this is like really resonating for me everything that you're talking about, and I'm thinking about how, like right manifest when we are afraid. We are manifesting this reality that is fear-based and we are basically, I feel like it's like building that monster. Phyllis actually has this really cool activity that she does in her workshops around like building these monsters, and it's like you're building this fear monster, right, and you're creating it. And something I was listening to this really great podcast, pivot, which is very well known.

It's Kara Swisher and she had a guest co-host, rachel Maddow, and what Rachel Maddow was saying was that Trump is not surprising, right, like he is he's textbook authoritarian, like what he is doing is like it has been done before. This is not surprising at all. She said what is important to focus on is the people's response to what is happening and she's like how are corporate heads responding, how are politicians responding? But also how is the everyday person responding? And she said what has been giving her the most hope is seeing how people are rising up against that, pushing back against that fear, and it's like people that you wouldn't expect they were talking about.

The one person that like the lady in the parking lot in the yoga pants who is going out and like screaming against ice, right Like, that's just like not something, that, because there's like a bougie white suburban lady, right and, but like giving it to the ice agents, right, like so that energy of like that woman very easily could have been afraid and been like well, I don't want to say anything or do anything, because what if something happens to me? And she stood up and you were seeing all of these videos of all these people doing it. So I just want to like sort of emphasize that piece around fear and you're creating that. I think the more we do that, the more hope that we have for this new world.

0:56:51 - Cindy Aaker Well, and there's strength in numbers, right, and that is what is starting to happen. And that is again. The awakening is going in tandem with that. More and more people are awakening to this idea of we create our lives. We're not victims of our lives, we're creating our lives. And I'm tired of living in this victimhood mentality and I actually want to live. I don't want to just survive, I want to thrive. And it's contagious, and so the more people that kind of jump on that whole idea, the more you can actually see how silly everything is Like just how silly everything, the things that we put all of our energy into. It's just ridiculous. Like the things that we put all of our energy into, it's just ridiculous. Like the systems that we've been agreeing to are so dumb. I'm sorry, but the education system is idiotic, completely idiotic, and we've been buying into it for so long. The health care system come on yeah.

Yeah, insurance systems, think about insurance. So the idea is, we want to get back to the essence, right? So the divine essence of all of these things. The first insurance company was basically a small town that is like okay, we're all going to put in a couple dollars, so if anybody's crops go bad or if anybody's house burns down, they can rebuild it. That's a great thing, that's a community thing. It got monetized and weaponized and now it doesn't benefit anybody except for the stakeholders, and that's it. And that's the same thing for health care, that's the same thing for education, that is the same thing for everything. There is always who is making the most money. That is where it's distorted. That is what has happened.

Whoever is, everything now is about money and power, and it's not about the human connection or the growth of the human at all. And this is what is starting to be realized, because, unfortunately, more and more people, the system is breaking down for them right, it's completely breaking down for them, and they're like I don't know what to do now, because everything that I've ever done isn't working anymore. We have to try something different. And more and more people are starting to feel that way. I mean, you can think look at again. I'm going back to the boomer generation, where everything was like factories and it was all just big groups of people but they weren't doing their own thing, like think about the entrepreneurship that is now everywhere. I mean, it is a completely different world. People are like I can't work in that world anymore, so I'm going to create my own.

0:59:35 - Felicia Jadczak And that's interesting. You bring up this sort of generational thing too, because I mean, it's another topic Rachel and I talk a lot about and there's been a lot of. There's always discourse around generational divides and differences and everything, and every new generation comes up and has the same kind of thing. But I was thinking just now, as you were talking, like with the boomers, there were all of these social systems in place and I think part of what we're dealing with right now is the fact that they broke it right and so they were like oh, this is fine, or this is not good, or we don't want this and we're going to break it apart.

And so now a lot of this conflict and upheaval that we're seeing right now is because a lot of these systems and not saying they're perfect, but they were working fairly well for a lot of people. Now we are seeing people who can't like have to work three jobs to scrape by, who don't have a guarantee of sending their kids to a good school, who will never be able to get a house yeah, 100%, and so it's. I think it's about also like thinking through this upheaval Like it's not new. We've been dealing with this upheaval for a long time, like it's not new. We've been dealing with this upheaval for a long time and to your point like, how do we sort of channel this wave that is happening into a place of abundance and possibility and goodness and not just into further destruction in terms of just everything falling apart?

1:00:58 - Cindy Aaker Well, everything does need to fall apart, unfortunately.

1:01:01 - Felicia Jadczak Well, so that's what I want to actually get back to, because you mentioned you're like, okay, 26 and 2027 are going to be real wild. So, okay, I'm strapped in.

1:01:11 - Cindy Aaker Well, 2026 and 2027, that is going to be when we are going to 100% realize we are not the only species in the universe. Okay, so here for it. That is a big go. It's actually it's moving up faster too. It's like it was 2027 and now it's like end of 2026. And now it's like it might even be sooner than that, like it's everything's kind of moving up a little bit. Okay, it's going to be. 2028 is going to be a massive year with regards to how do I want to put this. I don't want to say that it's going to be war, but this is when the gloves come off. Gloves are coming off. Which gloves?

1:01:59 - Rachel Murray I know I'm like because it feels like there's a lot of gloves.

1:02:01 - Felicia Jadczak How many layers of gloves are people wearing? Because, like I, feel like they're already off.

1:02:06 - Cindy Aaker It's just there's going to be again they don't give me exact. Whenever I tune in about this, it's simply the big shift. The big shift like, almost like the splitting. Yeah, 2028 to 3032. In 3032, that's when 2032? 20, sorry, 20? I'm like, I mean, we all go there with you. That's quite a way to turn it. I was thinking 2030, 2032. So, okay, 2028, there's going to be people. It's going to be shocking to some degree, but that's also when it's finally like we're done there's no negotiating anymore. This is not happening. It's 2028. Okay.

1:02:52 - Rachel Murray Which happens to be the next presidential election, so that's fun.

1:02:57 - Felicia Jadczak I'm sure there's no coincidence If we have one.

1:03:00 - Rachel Murray If we have one, yeah, oh God.

1:03:03 - Cindy Aaker Well, there's going to be a lot of breaking down of systems right, and so you can't really have a government, a functioning government that you can elect a leader of, if the systems aren't working right. There's going to be a lot of grassroots, like this is already starting. So the grassroots thing is really going to be starting, because the gap between the haves and the have-nots it's not going to get better, it's going to get wider.

1:03:29 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, which I mean I feel like we need that Like and to the point of everything we've been talking about so far is like that's needed, and actually I'm glad you mentioned that, because that did bring up something else I wanted to bring up earlier, which is like this whole idea with okay, systems are failing us.

We're going to see more of this split between people who are doing just fine and profiting and people who are really struggling, and I've seen this in my own community where I've started to see more and more mutual aid groups pop up and beyond just like your standard like mutual aid function, which is really important and, I think, very needed in a lot of ways. I'm seeing a lot more people coming together wanting to figure out what can they do, given who they are, where they're at, what they have available to them, and I'm seeing more of that and I talk about this a lot with my husband. We're like we need leaders, because I feel like that's what we're missing right now is we don't have clear leadership. But I'm just curious if that's come up at all in sort of when you've been talking and thinking about this.

1:04:28 - Cindy Aaker Okay. So everything that you've said, this is the start of it. So the way that we do commerce right now, if you think about it, the United States of America is completely fricking broke Broke. If everybody called in everything, there'd be nothing Right. And it's not by chance that all of these you know European leaders came with Zelensky and it's like that's kind of scary because you can really see sides, right. Yeah, and if all of these European countries that we have all of these agreements with and trade with and commerce with are like, yeah, you know what we're out on America.

1:05:14 - Rachel Murray And, by the way, also, we're like oh, we're so safe, isolation is, but you know what? Canada and Mexico aren't friends of ours anymore, oh no.

1:05:21 - Cindy Aaker Canada has already gone over to Europe. They're doing all their trade with Europe now and Mexico too. Oh, absolutely. And so this is where we're at right now, right, and so commerce is going to change dramatically, and it's slowly, like people are starting to feel it now, absolutely. But that's just going to get more intense because it's forcing us to create community, just like you were saying, felicia, and these communities, it's going to go, believe it or not, it's going to go to the bartering system. We are going to be growing our own food.

1:05:55 - Felicia Jadczak Oh, I believe it Like I'm oh yeah 100%.

1:05:59 - Cindy Aaker There will be secessions of states. That is definitely, without a doubt, going to happen.

1:06:05 - Felicia Jadczak California. Yeah, I'm like great Also here for it.

1:06:08 - Cindy Aaker People are probably like New.

1:06:09 - Felicia Jadczak England, california. Let's get out of this mess.

1:06:12 - Cindy Aaker Like that. Everyone else has their own devices Quite inevitable. To be honest, Again, there's no timeline for all of that. Really, they're not giving me a timeline. They kind of just are like these are. But again, we do have free choice, free will, and so we can choose differently. Again, there's so many potentials out there that it can go so many different, and the energy is so in flux right now. There are so many different ways that it can go. But the main thing that is always consistent is community Communities are coming back together. The small communities are going to just that's going to be our way of commerce. That is what is going to happen. So the people that are stuck in their private equity with all their stuff, they're going to have their own way of doing things and it's going to slowly dry up.

1:07:02 - Rachel Murray Then do it.

1:07:02 - Cindy Aaker Yeah, it's going to dry up and they're going to try everything they can to suppress and take all they can from the people who already have nothing. They're going to continue to do that to maintain their lifestyle, but it's not going to work and everybody else is going to actually have a very harmonious way of living with each other. It's like when I was kind of tuning in about this, I'm almost seeing like a it's not a black market, but like a marketplace.

1:07:30 - Felicia Jadczak Yeah, it's. I don't know. I don't think you are, rachel, but I don't know if you're at all into like fish or jam band scene. So my husband's really into fish and grateful dad and all that stuff. But there's like a whole community, communal market and like sort of I guess, for lack of a better word commerce culture that springs up around these spaces and it's exactly that. It's like there's bartering, there's trade, there's people pitching in and giving, making food and giving it away, and I just think of that and it is such a different side note, but I'll just drop it in really quickly.

Either of you have ever watched Station Eleven?

Yes, no, maybe Rachel has Cindy if you haven't. Yeah, if you are into, if you need a new TV watch, or for our listeners, it is such a great show, first of all, but secondly, it's an interesting take on the whole post-apocalyptic angle, because you have, on the one hand, you're like, oh my God, everything is horrible and people are monsters and they're just raping and killing and everyone's out for themselves because everything has collapsed and society doesn't exist anymore. And on the other hand, you have, okay, post-apocalypse, the pandemic happened, everything's horrible and things collapsed, but we're still going to focus on like family and art and music and beauty, and like helping each other Even though, yes, there are still bad people out there and everything doesn't always go well but it's like a different way of looking and being and I fully believe that. Like, if we get to this point, my hope is that we'll have enough people who can like create this or in this alternative aspect, so it's not just all of us running around here with guns trying to shoot people who are trying to kill us.

1:09:11 - Rachel Murray Not everything has to be the Walking Dead. No.

1:09:13 - Cindy Aaker Why not? Well, here's the thing it's only the 1% that has. Think about just the numbers of people, the 1%ers. Those are the ones that are running the world right now. Like that's honestly, like how is that even possible? Like, if you think about it, and it's because we have all been lulled by fear into this false matrix of a world that's not even true. Like we believe we're victims, we react like victims and just stomping our feet and getting mad isn't going to do anything. We actually need to unite.

1:09:58 - Felicia Jadczak We should reclaim our power, right, because, like that's partially why we're here, is because, like we've given away that power and you see this at government levels and like individual levels around the fear conversation that we've talked about but like we need to reclaim that in a certain sense, I think.

1:10:13 - Cindy Aaker Well, it's, even in our own relationships, we give away our power. I mean, everything is a fractal of the bigger picture, yeah Right, and so you can have, like a woman that maybe gives her power away within her family, that is representative of her community, which is representative of the government which is. It just gets bigger and bigger and that's. Everything is a fractal, it's a microcosm of a macrocosm. Everything is that way. It's a matter now of going inward. So that's the key to everything is all of your power. None of it's outside of us. Like we're using the outside of us to decide how we should feel we are, instead of actually creating our outside well, which we are too. Like we're creating our outside by how we feel. On the inside right, we're like okay, I'm unworthy, I'm terrible at this, I'm awful at that, I don't have any friends, I can't hold a job. Like you feel that way, and so you create that as your, and then you look for evidence. You look for evidence and be like see, this always happens to me Self-fulfilling prophecy.

1:11:24 - Felicia Jadczak Absolutely.

1:11:24 - Rachel Murray Now. So if we can.

1:11:25 - Cindy Aaker The practice that everybody needs to do is, honestly, five to 10 minutes just to start is go and have sit in some stillness and just kind of just listen to your breath, just follow your breath. So many people have such a hard time being still Like it's so hard because everything moves so fast now. I mean, you look at reels, you look at everything is just available, it's boom, all the stimulation constantly. So we don't take enough time to just be still and to just breathe and just kind of be. Now there's a lot of people that say, well, I pray all the time. Praying is again, you're not being still, you're active, you're asking for something.

Right, the meditation, the idea of meditation or stillness, like that is being in receipt, right. So slowing everything down so that you can actually receive the information that is within you and trying to tell you something. But we've been indoctrined to believe that everything is outside of us. So that noise, that's just, that's nothing, that doesn't mean anything. And if we do listen to a voice inside of us, it's the one that's telling us we're shitty. Yep, most of the time, instead of the deeper one. The deeper one that is your true self, that is your soul speaking to you. If we can take that time and go to the earth I'm not kidding the best thing you could do is sit in stillness on grass and just invite in that healing energy of Gaia.

Honestly, whenever I have those crazy moments where it's like I'm like I have to go outside, and I go outside and I will just lay on the ground and just breathe and be like, just take it, gaia, take it from me.

And she does, he actually does. I'm like, please, just take my this low vibration that is going around and around and transmute it, make it into a butterfly, turn it into a leaf or a piece of grass, make it something else, and just let me feel this beautiful healing energy that the earth has the ocean, the lake, the grass, the mountain air that is where you can just kind of go and breathe and, honestly, right now it is so powerful Like I don't know the last time you've done anything like that, but the energy of the earth right now is freaking nuts. It's so powerful Like you can go out there and just you have to ask for it, though, right, you have to ask for it to leave you the low vibration and you ask for the high vibration to come in and you can feel the switch happen. Ask for the high vibration to come in and you can feel the switch happen.

You really, really can. It's amazing right now how it changes my mood instantly.

1:14:13 - Rachel Murray Yeah, I agree with you. I was given a challenge recently to meditate for 30 minutes for 10 days. So I'm on day like eight right now, and it actually is annoyingly transformative like eight right now, and it is. It actually is annoyingly transformative. And I will just say, like just to honor the people who, like, do not have access to nature, which is like so hard to even believe. I know that there's parks that people can access, but even sometimes that can be hard, I think, just even if you can like, I think just breathing is so you're so right, Cindy just like taking some deep breaths and like closing your eyes and just doing. The thing that is so scary for so many of us is to actually like be alone with our own thoughts, because it's I know I certainly have that and so I definitely appreciate all that advice and that was one of the questions that we had for you. So thank you for answering that and like, wow, of course, another hour, boom gone.

Oh my gosh that went very quickly, I know so. But any other final thoughts before we do go.

1:15:09 - Cindy Aaker Well, I know that we talked. You know, and I'm saying all this terrible stuff and how life is gonna do Again. I wanna go back to what I said on the last one, about how the best thing you can do for yourself and for everybody is just to find some joy. Yes, Just find some joy. Lift yourself up, no matter what it is. Take a moment and listen to your favorite song and dance around the house, Anything, the simplest thing that gives you joy. Do that as much as you can, because that is way more beneficial to accomplishing anything than nose to the grindstone.

Believe it or not, you can be nose to the grindstone doing all this work, but if it's not bringing you any joy, it's not moving the needle at all, Whereas if you can just stop what you're doing and do something that brings you some joy, everything changes and suddenly your energy is higher and suddenly you're like manifesting things in a positive way. Right? So you're calling into you now all of these things that can help you do that work instead of putting your nose to the grindstone. I'm not kidding, help you do that work instead of putting your nose to the grindstone. Suddenly, things you'll it's I'm not kidding If you, if, in the middle of something, you're like you know what? I just got to stop because I'm feeling very frustrated in my work. I'm feeling very frustrated in the situation. I'm going to go and I'm going to leave and I'm going to lift my spirits right, that's lift them up, I'm going to, which is the same thing as saying I'm going to raise my vibration. If you go and you do that, suddenly the universe is like oh well, this is different. I'm not going to throw the same crap at her that I've been throwing at her. I'm going to give her something fun that matches where she is right now.

And suddenly all those terrible things that you had to do, they somehow managed to take care of themselves or they disappear completely. I'm not kidding, you can cut your workday the work that you actually do in a workday by at least half. If you are actually joyful because things take care of themselves, somehow, the universe suddenly is on your side and you're not working against it anymore. You're actually in the flow. That's what. The flow is right and things just kind of happen where it's like someone you needed to make an appointment with or you had to go and see is canceled for whatever reason and you're like thank God, because I didn't have time for that. Like all of these things kind of just start to happen where when you're in the flow, you're not working so hard, it kind of just takes care of itself. And you do that only when you are in alignment with high vibration, with joy.

1:17:46 - Rachel Murray And I want to just add to that because it's such an important point, and I think sometimes we ladies can be a little bit like oh, but you know we're not helping other people. And one thing I know that you said to me before is when we are experiencing joy, we are collectively bringing up the vibration for everyone, and I think that can be really like that's just an important lesson when people, when we feel like oh, we're being selfish because we're experiencing joy when there's so much pain out there. So I just wanted to double down on that.

1:18:17 - Cindy Aaker That's the best thing that you can do to not feel guilty, because guilt again is low vibration. Right To feel guilt because you are having a good experience. When there are so many people, having a bad experience doesn't help anybody because it just lowers the vibration. It lowers the vibration and it's a matter of just joy is contagious. Man, we've all felt it. You're around someone that's joyful. You suddenly feel a little more joyful.

1:18:42 - Felicia Jadczak Well, that's what I was going to say is, I think, in addition to helping yourself, it actually is helpful for other people to a certain degree, because you're modeling it, and when other people see people who just are again like fill in the blank word right, joyful, tuned in, happy, appreciative, whatever it is that, however, you're manifesting, that it is contagious. It is something where, like, I thought about this for, like, I love it when I like go out and if I like take care with my outfit or whatever, and someone notices and they tell me, like it makes my day so great and I feel so good about myself. And I always think to myself you can also do this for other people. You don't just have to wait for someone to tell you and acknowledge you. You can do it for other people. And it's a sort of like a cyclical thing, because then it makes you feel better. It makes you feel better, oh yeah.

It just kind of grows and grows and grows.

1:19:30 - Cindy Aaker It does you. Telling someone else giving them a compliment makes them feel good, which then makes you feel good, exactly, and so it's like the power of the individual.

1:19:41 - Felicia Jadczak How do we honor that? How do we tap into the power of the collective? How do we tap into our higher vibration so that we can get to the 2030s, pass this horrible conflict and birth it and get out of it, clean ourselves off and get into some good stuff?

1:19:59 - Rachel Murray Clean ourselves off.

1:20:00 - Felicia Jadczak Gross Okay. Is there some birth-al matter. I don't know, is that a word Birth? It is now no it is now yeah.

1:20:10 - Cindy Aaker It is important just to remember that we're all feeling this. There's nobody, even if they look like they're riding the high life. Everybody has lessons that they're learning. They're just being presented in different ways. We are used to learning our lessons through struggle, but we don't have to. We actually have the option to learn them through joy, and that's not going to happen unless we invite joy in. So again, going inward, that is the key, and to not feel guilty, to feel joy, it's a good thing. It puts it out into the collective and then someone else is going to pick it up somewhere because it's out there, it'll fall onto someone else.

1:20:53 - Rachel Murray So yeah, well, thank you so much, cindy. This was, unsurprisingly, absolutely wonderful.

1:21:00 - Cindy Aaker Well, I enjoyed myself very much as well. I could talk, and talk, and talk. I still feel like we have so much more we could talk about.

1:21:05 - Felicia Jadczak We could probably keep going, I mean honestly. For hours and hours. But you know, what I like to think is that we are putting a little bit of joy out there to our own little slice of the universe, and maybe someone will pick up on it. So thank you for helping us doing that.

1:21:20 - Cindy Aaker Oh, it's my pleasure. Thank you for inviting me back.

1:21:23 - Rachel Murray Thank you. Oh my gosh, we did it. I'm so excited that we did that and I would like to do it again. Yes, here for it. Yeah, I feel like Cindy needs to be like a recurring guest to keep us posted on her updates. Like, what are the shenanigans that the universe has in mind? We need to know. So we hope that you enjoy listening to this as much as we enjoyed this conversation.

1:21:49 - Felicia Jadczak And we so enjoyed it. So, as always, thanks so much for listening. Hopefully you're still here with us on these side quests that we're taking, but please, no matter what, don't forget to rate, share and subscribe. It really does make a huge difference in the reach of this podcast and, by extension, our work. You can visit us on YouTube, instagram and LinkedIn, and you can sign up for our newsletter at inclusiongeekscom forward slash newsletter to stay up to date on all things. Inclusion Geeks Stay geeky. Bye.